A Little-Known Improvement Worth Noting

by Joshua Foust on 6/13/2007 · 11 comments

One of the rarely remarked upon consequences of Taliban rule in Afghanistan was its treatment of gays. Though their official policy—execution—wasn’t that out of the ordinary compared to Iran (or many other Muslim countries), their method, pushing a wall over, using a tank, and seeing how long the victim would survive, was especially brutal.

But what of gays in Afghanistan now? Traditionally, Islam hasn’t been especially hostile to homosexuality—well regarded classical Islamic poets have written lengthy love sonnets to the young boys they chased after, and were celebrated for it (while in the West we classify ephebophilia as a criminal sickness indistinguishable from pederasty, the line is much more distinct in other societies, including pre-modern Islam). Even in neighboring Pakistan, in Pashtun-majority areas no less, so-called male brides—in which a teenage boy is married off to an older man—happens today. And in Saudi Arabia, discrete homosexuality is virtually encouraged (or at least assented to) by the harsh religious police, which criminalize male-female relations but ignore same-sex relations.

Even the Taliban’s brutal repression of gays can’t be seen as simple hatred. A recent set of rules for Taliban fighters included prohibitions against taking boys into their tents alone, among other bizarre rules on sexuality (such as the power of the woman’s ankle). The excellent, if depressing film Osama includes a scene in which a Taliban elder instructs a room full of boys, at length, in how to properly wash their genitals. And Kandahar, the stronghold of the Taliban in the 90′s, was once known as the gay capital of South Asia.

All of this amounts to a truly complex, and not at all clear, picture of how Afghans view sexuality. While there isn’t any clear-cut religious or socio-ethnic bias against same-sex relationships in Afghan society, the previous decades of regression and repression have had an impact on mores and attitudes: that’s why you see so many women in burqas still, even though very few wore them before 1979. So the actual level of acceptance or tolerance of homosexuality in Afghanistan can’t simply be inferred by history, given all the recent reversals.

Enter David Axe, reporting from Afghanistan for the next few weeks. He reports that in the rural areas, openly gay relationships are so common even marriage ceremonies have been found. Indeed, many western travelers (and a few surprised soldiers) have expressed deep confusion and surprise when some Afghan men have flirted with them, or even made outright sexual advances.

Why, according to Axe, are gays so seemingly accepted, in a country otherwise known for its conservative, and repressive, religious views?

Many Afghans disapprove, but according to custom, boys gain their independence in their teenage years … and what they do after that is up to them, even if it flies in the face of traditional Islam’s enthusiastic advocacy of the breeding family. So Afghans just shrug and move on to more important issues, such as the latest tactics for oppressing their daughters. Six years after the Taliban’s fall, most Afghan women still wear their burqas when they’re out in public and many decline to appear in public at all. Cultural mores proved stronger than law as far as the treatment of Afghan women goes, but with Afghan men, the lifting of legal restrictions on gay sex resulted in a flourishing gay community. Go figure.

Go figure, indeed. This can surely be called one of the great unintended consequences of the invasion. Though the Taliban was primarily reviled for its horrendous treatment of women, that treatment hasn’t necessarily improved with their removal (though rampant executions are far more rare, which is a remarkable improvement). The life of gays in Afghanistan, though, has unquestionably improved.


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{ 11 comments }

Phillips June 13, 2007 at 5:48 pm

See Family Research Institute and Family Research Council:

http://www.familyresearchinst.org
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=BK04A01

Joshua Foust June 13, 2007 at 6:09 pm

Right, so you don’t like homosexuality. What’s your point? And why shouldn’t we celebrate that gays are no longer being murdered for being who they are?

Tom W. June 13, 2007 at 9:05 pm

“[W]hy shouldn’t we celebrate that gays are no longer being murdered for being who they are?”

Because to a certain kind of American, The Gay Issue trumps everything. We’re fighting the most depraved, cruel, inhuman enemy we’ve ever faced, but a large segment of the population won’t vote for Giuliani because he’s “gay friendly.”

He’s also a (gasp) cross dresser!

[Cue orchestral crash, lightning flash, thunder, screams.]

We’ve got our priorities. The threat of Islamic terrorism just can’t compare to the threat of man-on-man love.

Lesbians, however, are another story, especially the young, cute, feminine ones who take off their clothes and make out in those spring-break DVDs.

Nick June 14, 2007 at 7:01 am

Also, it’s not surprising you’re picking up dingbat commenters: you’ve been linked-to by Instahack.

Megs June 14, 2007 at 9:41 am

Dingbag commenter? Instapundit is a valuable resource. I never would have seen this story otherwise.

I’m glad that people are not being murdered for their sexual preference. I am not in favor of homosexuality but don’t believe death is the appropriate response.

Now if women would break out of their shells, that would be even better news.

Joshua Foust June 14, 2007 at 9:58 am

Megs, I think Nick was referring to the idea of linking to a bunch of Christian anti-gay publications in response to a story about how gays aren’t being murdered. At the least, it’s deeply insensitive, and I think borders on the outright offensive. Or, put another way, it’s just tactless. Your attitude, which actually happens to mirror that of many Afghans, is totally fine.

Nick June 14, 2007 at 10:02 am

‘Dingbag commenter? Instapundit is a valuable resource. I never would have seen this story otherwise.’

The first part of that statement can be verified be following the link provided by the first commenter in this thread, Phillips. The second part of that statement may be true regarding other issues, but I think it’s fair to say that the proprietors of this manor have a slightly less than stellar opinion of Professor Reynolds.

I too (gulp!) read Instapundit on a regular basis – but since he doesn’t offer a forum for commenting on his blog, I have to spout off elsewhere.

shockcorridor June 14, 2007 at 10:06 am

Phillips and Nick both represent levels of ignorance and stupidity. Phillips, thanks for your pointless idiotic links to some jackass Christian group! Nick, so I assume your credentials are phenomenal to declare a tenured professor of law at a prestigious university a “hack?” Wow so edgy dude.

Joshua Foust June 14, 2007 at 10:15 am

Shock, hang on a second. It’s unfair to write off Nick’s take like that, and your defense doesn’t hold much water. For one, I know plenty of tenured professors I would consider idiots, especially when discussing subjects outside their fields. That doesn’t mean anything, just that “experts” are only experts to a certain degree.

My disillusionment with the Instapundit (expounded upon at great length at the link Nick provided) stems from what I see as his overly simplistic view of International Relations and the war on terror. I happen to agree with Reynolds on things like IP law, and abusive police powers, and the many frightening examples of the abuse of speech codes. But I study International Relations, and that’s where he and I mostly part company. Besides, even Reynolds admits he knows a little about a lot of things. It leaves open the possibility of being wrong, which I do appreciate.

Also, Nick calling a pundit a hack (there’s often a vanishingly thin line between the two, if one exists at all) is hardly the same as those stories equating homosexuality to a disease that must be cured.

Nick June 14, 2007 at 10:26 am

‘Nick, so I assume your credentials are phenomenal to declare a tenured professor of law at a prestigious university a “hack?” Wow so edgy dude.’

Professor Glenn Reynolds has excellent legal and academic credentials and is an expert in his declared field. Unfortunately you’ve constructed a strawman and misrepresented my opinions – I wasn’t calling Professor Glenn Reynolds a hack on the basis of his undoubtedly excellent academic and legal credentials, but rather on the basis of his work as a blogger.

Meanwhile back to the issue in hand …

Bohemienne June 15, 2007 at 4:46 pm

Somehow I’m not surprised to learn that there was actually a very large underground homosexual culture in Islamic countries. Apparently locking their women away and dressing them in bags is just the beginning. It would seem that Muslim men are endeavoring towards making females completely a thing of the past–they don’t even need them for sexual fulfillment!

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