Comments on: The Latest on Andijon http://registan.net/index.php/2005/05/15/the-latest-on-andijon/ All Central Asia, All The Time Thu, 24 May 2012 20:41:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: oD Today http://registan.net/index.php/2005/05/15/the-latest-on-andijon/comment-page-1/#comment-19201 oD Today Mon, 16 May 2005 14:36:19 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=5314#comment-19201 <strong>Coverage of Uzbekistan troubles</strong> The news of violent riots in the eastern town of Andijan in Uzbekistan has had international media outlets scrambling to find on-the-ground coverage. Many international news outlets, including the BBC, have been unable to field correspondents any close... Coverage of Uzbekistan troubles

The news of violent riots in the eastern town of Andijan in Uzbekistan has had international media outlets scrambling to find on-the-ground coverage. Many international news outlets, including the BBC, have been unable to field correspondents any close…

]]> By: Schwartz http://registan.net/index.php/2005/05/15/the-latest-on-andijon/comment-page-1/#comment-19189 Schwartz Mon, 16 May 2005 13:05:55 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=5314#comment-19189 I've been away for a few days. This matter in Andijon (that's a very French spelling, isn't it?) is flaring up... A quote from the Wikipedia: On September 1, 1991, Uzbekistan reluctantly declared independence. While the Baltic States led the fight for independence, Central Asian states were afraid of it. "The centrifugal forces pulling the Union apart were weakest in Central Asia. Well after the August 1991 coup attempt, all Central Asian leaders believed that the Union might somehow be preserved," wrote Michael McFaul in Russia's Unfinished Revolution. Our Uzbekistan special editor Olesya has made many remarks in the same fashion: <i>stability stability stability</i> at any cost. But there is an irony in this: were "something big" to happen in Uzbekistan, it would be due to this (cycloptic?) desire for peace and quiet... Just a thought. I’ve been away for a few days. This matter in Andijon (that’s a very French spelling, isn’t it?) is flaring up…

A quote from the Wikipedia: On September 1, 1991, Uzbekistan reluctantly declared independence. While the Baltic States led the fight for independence, Central Asian states were afraid of it. “The centrifugal forces pulling the Union apart were weakest in Central Asia. Well after the August 1991 coup attempt, all Central Asian leaders believed that the Union might somehow be preserved,” wrote Michael McFaul in Russia’s Unfinished Revolution.

Our Uzbekistan special editor Olesya has made many remarks in the same fashion: stability stability stability at any cost.

But there is an irony in this: were “something big” to happen in Uzbekistan, it would be due to this (cycloptic?) desire for peace and quiet…

Just a thought.

]]> By: Lyndon http://registan.net/index.php/2005/05/15/the-latest-on-andijon/comment-page-1/#comment-19181 Lyndon Mon, 16 May 2005 11:42:22 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=5314#comment-19181 Uh, in that last comment, I meant - "who are you TO say it happened?" The lack of new news from downtown Andijan confirms the Uzbek authorities partial success at keeping a lid on information for the time being - I've translated from Russian some fresh reports from Monday midday Moscow time here - http://scrapsofmoscow.blogspot.com/2005/05/reports-on-number-of-dead-arrested.html - these weren't in the western media at post time (maybe because of credibility issues with the information provided by the Uzbek MVD). Uh, in that last comment, I meant – “who are you TO say it happened?” The lack of new news from downtown Andijan confirms the Uzbek authorities partial success at keeping a lid on information for the time being – I’ve translated from Russian some fresh reports from Monday midday Moscow time here – http://scrapsofmoscow.blogspot.com/2005/05/reports-on-number-of-dead-arrested.html – these weren’t in the western media at post time (maybe because of credibility issues with the information provided by the Uzbek MVD).

]]> By: Katy http://registan.net/index.php/2005/05/15/the-latest-on-andijon/comment-page-1/#comment-19177 Katy Mon, 16 May 2005 10:52:45 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=5314#comment-19177 I think that IATP filters against adult content, but as far as political blocks, it shouldn't be. Or at least that is the goal. I think that IATP filters against adult content, but as far as political blocks, it shouldn’t be. Or at least that is the goal.

]]> By: Lyndon http://registan.net/index.php/2005/05/15/the-latest-on-andijon/comment-page-1/#comment-19168 Lyndon Mon, 16 May 2005 07:47:14 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=5314#comment-19168 If you're in Tashkent and can go to this memorial rally today - http://scrapsofmoscow.blogspot.com/2005/05/minute-of-silencemourning-scheduled-in.html - it would be interesting to hear a report on how that goes. David L., thanks for putting up those comments. It looks like the Uzbek authorities are confident in their ability to keep the real story from coming out. Their mentality seems to be, "if we say it didn't happen, it didn't happen" - very Soviet - and "if we keep all journalists out of the area, who are you say it happened?" (those are not actual quotes, just my impersonation of the mentality) If you’re in Tashkent and can go to this memorial rally today – http://scrapsofmoscow.blogspot.com/2005/05/minute-of-silencemourning-scheduled-in.html – it would be interesting to hear a report on how that goes.

David L., thanks for putting up those comments. It looks like the Uzbek authorities are confident in their ability to keep the real story from coming out. Their mentality seems to be, “if we say it didn’t happen, it didn’t happen” – very Soviet – and “if we keep all journalists out of the area, who are you say it happened?” (those are not actual quotes, just my impersonation of the mentality)

]]> By: uzari http://registan.net/index.php/2005/05/15/the-latest-on-andijon/comment-page-1/#comment-19161 uzari Mon, 16 May 2005 05:59:16 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=5314#comment-19161 Also here in Uzbekistan. Thanks very much to both Registan and Scraps of Moscow for providing information that is blocked here. We've been checking you guys several times a day. IATP sites, are, unfortunately, subject to many of the same filters as the rest of internet access in Uzbekistan. Some users know ways to get around the blocking, but it's the political reality nonetheless. Also here in Uzbekistan. Thanks very much to both Registan and Scraps of Moscow for providing information that is blocked here. We’ve been checking you guys several times a day.

IATP sites, are, unfortunately, subject to many of the same filters as the rest of internet access in Uzbekistan. Some users know ways to get around the blocking, but it’s the political reality nonetheless.

]]> By: david l http://registan.net/index.php/2005/05/15/the-latest-on-andijon/comment-page-1/#comment-19160 david l Mon, 16 May 2005 05:57:39 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=5314#comment-19160 First decent international response is from the Brits. "Jack Straw, said he was 'extremely concerned by reports that Uzbek troops opened fire on demonstrators in Andizhan.' and a fairly strong hint that UK presidency of EU will take a tough line. Full statement on fco.gov.uk Comical Uzbek response: Uzbekistan was surprised by the statement from UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who, despite being thousands of kilometres away from Andijon, is so well informed about the details of the clash in this town," the document says. How did Mr Jack Straw know that the law-enforcement agencies 'started shooting demonstrators' if nothing of this kind ever happened? and so on, in typical MFA surreal style.. First decent international response is from the Brits. “Jack Straw, said he was ‘extremely concerned by reports that Uzbek troops opened fire on demonstrators in Andizhan.’ and a fairly strong hint that UK presidency of EU will take a tough line. Full statement on fco.gov.uk

Comical Uzbek response:

Uzbekistan was surprised by the statement from UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who, despite being thousands of kilometres away from Andijon, is so well informed about the details of the clash in this town,” the document says.

How did Mr Jack Straw know that the law-enforcement agencies ‘started shooting demonstrators’ if nothing of this kind ever happened?

and so on, in typical MFA surreal style..

]]> By: Bertrand http://registan.net/index.php/2005/05/15/the-latest-on-andijon/comment-page-1/#comment-19159 Bertrand Mon, 16 May 2005 05:14:51 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=5314#comment-19159 I live in Uzbekistan and have multiple sources for information here -- including local citizens. However, Registan.net has become a must view for me because of its inclusion of a broad range of information. As authorities here are attempting a news blackout regarding Andijon, it is entirely possible they will at some point try and block Registan.net. You may want to post information on how to use proxy servers in case that happens. I live in Uzbekistan and have multiple sources for information here — including local citizens. However, Registan.net has become a must view for me because of its inclusion of a broad range of information.

As authorities here are attempting a news blackout regarding Andijon, it is entirely possible they will at some point try and block Registan.net. You may want to post information on how to use proxy servers in case that happens.

]]> By: Katy http://registan.net/index.php/2005/05/15/the-latest-on-andijon/comment-page-1/#comment-19147 Katy Mon, 16 May 2005 02:07:07 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=5314#comment-19147 Lyndon, the orgs that faciliate IATP for the U.S. State Department get independent sources for incoming internet, often satt communication. Either that or they work out an agreement with their ISPs. It really depends on the country. IATP is a part of the aid packages that are put together. Hope this helps a bit! Lyndon, the orgs that faciliate IATP for the U.S. State Department get independent sources for incoming internet, often satt communication. Either that or they work out an agreement with their ISPs. It really depends on the country.

IATP is a part of the aid packages that are put together.

Hope this helps a bit!

]]> By: Nathan http://registan.net/index.php/2005/05/15/the-latest-on-andijon/comment-page-1/#comment-19136 Nathan Sun, 15 May 2005 21:28:46 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=5314#comment-19136 Oh, and Onnik, I don't think he's going to take care of the problem in this case because I'm not sure he realizes what the problem is or has the ability to tackle it. He's really caught between a rock and a hard place on the economy. The local prosecutors tried to address the proximate cause of the situation--the charges against the 23 men--but we don't know how that would've played out. Oh, and Onnik, I don’t think he’s going to take care of the problem in this case because I’m not sure he realizes what the problem is or has the ability to tackle it. He’s really caught between a rock and a hard place on the economy. The local prosecutors tried to address the proximate cause of the situation–the charges against the 23 men–but we don’t know how that would’ve played out.

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