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		<title>By: Laurence</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2006/01/24/protest-in-andijon-region/comment-page-1/#comment-117916</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 14:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, everybody, please lay off Nathan! We need him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, everybody, please lay off Nathan! We need him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2006/01/24/protest-in-andijon-region/comment-page-1/#comment-117884</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Part of the reason for my foul mood yesterday has to do with my least favorite people in the former Soviet blogosphere causing me trouble again. No fault of your own of course, but I won&#039;t pretend that my grueling school schedule, silly politics in the blogosphere spilling over into work, and whatnot isn&#039;t getting to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the reason for my foul mood yesterday has to do with my least favorite people in the former Soviet blogosphere causing me trouble again. No fault of your own of course, but I won&#8217;t pretend that my grueling school schedule, silly politics in the blogosphere spilling over into work, and whatnot isn&#8217;t getting to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kuda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kuda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fine.  I am adult enough and my shoulders are broad.  You should work on your manners though ;)
Kuda</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fine.  I am adult enough and my shoulders are broad.  You should work on your manners though <img src='http://registan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Kuda</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kuda, I was letting you know I&#039;m sensitive to that kind of language. You caused me personal offense in your response. And just refrain from insulting me or other guests. If you do something else that bugs me and it&#039;s reasonable that you wouldn&#039;t know it bothered me beforehand, I will let you know. Perhaps not politely, but I&#039;m not a terribly polite person a lot of the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kuda, I was letting you know I&#8217;m sensitive to that kind of language. You caused me personal offense in your response. And just refrain from insulting me or other guests. If you do something else that bugs me and it&#8217;s reasonable that you wouldn&#8217;t know it bothered me beforehand, I will let you know. Perhaps not politely, but I&#8217;m not a terribly polite person a lot of the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Kuda</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2006/01/24/protest-in-andijon-region/comment-page-1/#comment-117881</link>
		<dc:creator>Kuda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 04:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan,

No you didn&#039;t say NGO’s; I kind of went there from previous talks about the links between NGOs and governments.  I was, as they say, going off on a tangent. 

&quot;You pretend to kind of get the point of the rest of what I say, yet you attack me.&quot;

I do agree with what some of what you say, but have the right also to disagree with other points. 

Christ though Nathan I have better things to do then &#039;intentionally&#039; offend you over using the word &#039;hicks&#039;.  Really you are making a mountain over a molehill on this one.  And your comments about policy are noted.   

Sara, yes I think that you are right that educated or not, when people are put in such situations their actions are often deplorable.  The reasons why people from specific social backgrounds are sent to do such work is a wider question.

Brian, I have had similar experiences with the UN.  On one occasion they chose to continue a project I was involved in - we were subcontracted - despite that fact that we told them it was not even moderately successful.  We offered to stop taking payments as we had a decent reputation and it was a little embarrassing, but they said as it had been budgeted in we should just keep taking the payments; essentially for doing nothing.  Total waste of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,</p>
<p>No you didn&#8217;t say NGO’s; I kind of went there from previous talks about the links between NGOs and governments.  I was, as they say, going off on a tangent. </p>
<p>&#8220;You pretend to kind of get the point of the rest of what I say, yet you attack me.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do agree with what some of what you say, but have the right also to disagree with other points. </p>
<p>Christ though Nathan I have better things to do then &#8216;intentionally&#8217; offend you over using the word &#8216;hicks&#8217;.  Really you are making a mountain over a molehill on this one.  And your comments about policy are noted.   </p>
<p>Sara, yes I think that you are right that educated or not, when people are put in such situations their actions are often deplorable.  The reasons why people from specific social backgrounds are sent to do such work is a wider question.</p>
<p>Brian, I have had similar experiences with the UN.  On one occasion they chose to continue a project I was involved in &#8211; we were subcontracted &#8211; despite that fact that we told them it was not even moderately successful.  We offered to stop taking payments as we had a decent reputation and it was a little embarrassing, but they said as it had been budgeted in we should just keep taking the payments; essentially for doing nothing.  Total waste of money.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going off on a tangent?  Tangent, now that&#039;s a funny word... always reminded me of tangerines.  I could go for a tangerine right now. You know why? Because they&#039;re easier to peel than oranges.  Citrus is nice because doctors say...

I&#039;m joking. :)  Yeah I see your point, I don&#039;t even remember what the topic of this post was. But the comments were getting kinda caustic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going off on a tangent?  Tangent, now that&#8217;s a funny word&#8230; always reminded me of tangerines.  I could go for a tangerine right now. You know why? Because they&#8217;re easier to peel than oranges.  Citrus is nice because doctors say&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m joking. <img src='http://registan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Yeah I see your point, I don&#8217;t even remember what the topic of this post was. But the comments were getting kinda caustic.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 18:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian - aren&#039;t tangents the whole point?  Kinda takes the fun out of a discussion if it has to take such a narrow topic all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian &#8211; aren&#8217;t tangents the whole point?  Kinda takes the fun out of a discussion if it has to take such a narrow topic all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 16:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we&#039;re going off on a bit of a tangent here... I think we might all agree that the grunts in Abu Graib were not well prepared, no matter where they came from. 

I do agree with Kuda that NGOs aren&#039;t as effective as they could be.  I used to think NGOs were &quot;charities&quot;, where all people would work there out of their good will.  This may be the case with many people (such as the PC) but for some NGOs it&#039;s just a business.  And that means not cooperating or coordinating with other NGOs for fear of losing contracts, it means doing things that help your NGO instead of the people (such as taking on projects you aren&#039;t prepared for), and in the case of UNDP where I worked it means that the top 5 on-site managers earn a combined salary of over $800,000 (tax-free of course), consuming over 1/3rd of the entire budget of the organization.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we&#8217;re going off on a bit of a tangent here&#8230; I think we might all agree that the grunts in Abu Graib were not well prepared, no matter where they came from. </p>
<p>I do agree with Kuda that NGOs aren&#8217;t as effective as they could be.  I used to think NGOs were &#8220;charities&#8221;, where all people would work there out of their good will.  This may be the case with many people (such as the PC) but for some NGOs it&#8217;s just a business.  And that means not cooperating or coordinating with other NGOs for fear of losing contracts, it means doing things that help your NGO instead of the people (such as taking on projects you aren&#8217;t prepared for), and in the case of UNDP where I worked it means that the top 5 on-site managers earn a combined salary of over $800,000 (tax-free of course), consuming over 1/3rd of the entire budget of the organization.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:15:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing about it is, as the Stanford Prison Experiment shows, that it doesn&#039;t matter what kind of people are put in situations like Abu Graib.  &quot;Educated&quot;/&quot;non educated&quot; (although for some reason, I was pretty sure education was compulsory in this country) people will fall the same way most of the time and turn into monsters bit by bit.  

What makes anyone think that they are any different when put in that situation is beyond me.  The reason why it happened is because those at top negligently created the dynamic in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about it is, as the Stanford Prison Experiment shows, that it doesn&#8217;t matter what kind of people are put in situations like Abu Graib.  &#8220;Educated&#8221;/&#8221;non educated&#8221; (although for some reason, I was pretty sure education was compulsory in this country) people will fall the same way most of the time and turn into monsters bit by bit.  </p>
<p>What makes anyone think that they are any different when put in that situation is beyond me.  The reason why it happened is because those at top negligently created the dynamic in the first place.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2006 15:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t say NGO&#039;s did I?

You pretend to kind of get the point of the rest of what I say, yet you attack me. I could care less that you use the word less than I care about your intent. I especially care about you acting stupid, treating a class of folks like dirt because they&#039;re rural (let me guess, you grew up in an urban area), pretending like you&#039;re sorry for the offense, and then telling me I&#039;m a pissy bleeding heart. I refer you to my past mentions of a comment policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say NGO&#8217;s did I?</p>
<p>You pretend to kind of get the point of the rest of what I say, yet you attack me. I could care less that you use the word less than I care about your intent. I especially care about you acting stupid, treating a class of folks like dirt because they&#8217;re rural (let me guess, you grew up in an urban area), pretending like you&#8217;re sorry for the offense, and then telling me I&#8217;m a pissy bleeding heart. I refer you to my past mentions of a comment policy.</p>
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