Comments on: Nodira Hidoyatova Sentenced

By: uzbekistan.neweurasia.net » Blog Archive » Umarov Sentanced

uzbekistan.neweurasia.net » Blog Archive » Umarov Sentanced — Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:43:58 +0000

[...] Another Sunshine Uzbekistan opposition leader was sentenced today – this time its leader, Sanjar Umarov, for alleged economic crimes. His sentence is for 14 years, but has been reduced to just over 10 on an amnesty agreement. Another member of Sunshine Uzbekistan, Nodira Hidoyatova, was sentenced only several days ago. [...]

By: Azjon

Azjon — Sun, 05 Mar 2006 13:08:05 +0000

Hidoyatovas trial sould be seen as “Spider vs Fly” situation Karimov being the “Spider”. Fucker(karimov) does it every time someone is in opposition to his regime.Regardless of what the Fly may say or do the Spider will kill it. You see the sing is that Karimov keeps pretending that what he is doing isn’t just a dictatorship. I don’t know who he is trying to fool.I talk to refugees from Uzbekistan from time to time. What I hear from them gives me almos a physical pain. Unfortunatly, there is nothing that I can do at this time to change the situation in Uzbekistan for the better.

By: Bertrand

Bertrand — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 10:04:57 +0000

Craig,

Let’s just say we attended some of the same meetings and leave it at that.

By: Craig Murray

Craig Murray — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 07:23:18 +0000

Bertrand,

I should be delighted to be proved wrong. What is the British Embassy doing on the case, and what has the Ambassador said which helps your aim, which I entirely share, of drawing international attention to these abuses?

I am sorry, but I don’t immediately recall you from Tashkent. Did we meet?

By: ComingAnarchy.com » Blog Archive » The Ambassador’s Role

ComingAnarchy.com » Blog Archive » The Ambassador’s Role — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 04:50:06 +0000

[...] Nathan, while sympathizing with the victim of Uzbek’s authoritarian regime, unsurprisingly has few kind words for Mr. Murray’s outburst. [...]

By: Nathan

Nathan — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 04:36:26 +0000

I just want to make especially clear in case there’s any lingering confusion (mostly as another response to Brian) that as much as I disagree with the attack on the current ambassador, etc., what really harshes my mellow here is the context in which the attack is taking place.

By: Bertrand

Bertrand — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 04:33:55 +0000

Well, some of us are also friends of the Hidoyatova and Umarov families, and talk to them almost every day. Some of us are still here in UZ and feeling the incredible frustration of being able to do very little except try and raise more international attention to what’s going on.

Mr. Murray’s attack on the current British ambassador – and apparently everyone else in his sights – is completely unwarranted. He wasn’t much of a diplomat when he was a diplomat. Now he’s not even civil. Be ashamed, Mr. Murray. Be very ashamed.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 02:55:39 +0000

I don’t think they are either, but they’re not to blame for everything. And I don’t think the point of view needs to be shut down at all. It often needs to be reminded not to let the perfect be the enemy of the good and who the real enemies are though. I especially don’t think it should be given a pass because it’s heart is in the right place either.

By: Brian

Brian — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 02:52:00 +0000

Yeah ok, laying blame at everyone but him is a callow thing to do, but I think you should at least consider that what he’s trying to promote is a general philosophy where realpolitik is trumped by general principles of human rights and fairness. Whether it’s naive is one thing, but I don’t think it deserves being shut down.

I also don’t think that the American and British governments are above all criticism.

By: Nathan

Nathan — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 02:22:20 +0000

Why I came on as strong as I did is that 1.5 out of 7 sentences of that post are actually about Nodira. The rest are about him or how everyone else screwed up. None of them even come close to mentioning that everything adds up to one big exclamation mark on how desperate the situation is.

I don’t deny he cares. But launching into standard talking points here feels about as tasteful as using someone’s funeral as a platform for one’s point of view.