Comments on: “The Germans Have to Learn How to Kill” http://registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/the-germans-have-to-learn/ All Central Asia, All The Time Fri, 25 May 2012 03:15:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Kyrgyz kid http://registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/the-germans-have-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-299954 Kyrgyz kid Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:47:24 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/germans-and-killing/#comment-299954 You say you posted an article, what has it to do with reality? Reality is different. Europe has raised an issue of CIA prisons, this alone shows that they have an agenda on their own. I'd say they would love to see US to fail in Central Asia and Middle East. In that case US dollar is going to tumble and euro currency will get a boost. German troops are in Afghanistan probably only to control drug trafficking routes. It's not a secret, that after toppling of Taliban regime the volume of Afghan heroin trafficking to Europe has significantly increased. Everyone have to protect their own interests. You say you posted an article, what has it to do with reality? Reality is different. Europe has raised an issue of CIA prisons, this alone shows that they have an agenda on their own. I’d say they would love to see US to fail in Central Asia and Middle East. In that case US dollar is going to tumble and euro currency will get a boost. German troops are in Afghanistan probably only to control drug trafficking routes. It’s not a secret, that after toppling of Taliban regime the volume of Afghan heroin trafficking to Europe has significantly increased. Everyone have to protect their own interests.

]]> By: Josh http://registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/the-germans-have-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-299861 Josh Wed, 29 Nov 2006 15:29:47 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/germans-and-killing/#comment-299861 Umm, the entire point of this article was that we don't necessarily need a gigantic infusion of new troops, we can use what's already there. If they would let us. Did you even read what I posted? Umm, the entire point of this article was that we don’t necessarily need a gigantic infusion of new troops, we can use what’s already there. If they would let us. Did you even read what I posted?

]]> By: Kyrgyz kid http://registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/the-germans-have-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-299827 Kyrgyz kid Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:19:52 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/germans-and-killing/#comment-299827 So bring in more troops then. :-) So bring in more troops then. :-)

]]> By: Joshua Foust http://registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/the-germans-have-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-299629 Joshua Foust Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:26:46 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/germans-and-killing/#comment-299629 Except that you're ignoring what I'm saying. External factors, including individual countries' refusal to shoulder the burden they signed up for and a recalcitrant Pakistan, are what is hampering the Afghan campaign - not some mystical Afghani invincibility. It's very nice and poetic to say the Afghans have never been defeated; it's quite another to look at why, and see what can be done differently. Except that you’re ignoring what I’m saying. External factors, including individual countries’ refusal to shoulder the burden they signed up for and a recalcitrant Pakistan, are what is hampering the Afghan campaign – not some mystical Afghani invincibility. It’s very nice and poetic to say the Afghans have never been defeated; it’s quite another to look at why, and see what can be done differently.

]]> By: Kyrgyz kid http://registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/the-germans-have-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-299609 Kyrgyz kid Tue, 28 Nov 2006 09:40:40 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/germans-and-killing/#comment-299609 Your posting is just confirming my points. Soviet Afghan invasion was USSR's faux pas. I am having a sense of deja vu. Everything is the same in US-Afghan war. Initial delusion of military success turned into debilitating, pointless long warfare. Now this is USA's faux pas. Rummie got fired from his job, he failed to deliver good planning and analysis. No surprises Germans are staying off from this mess. Your posting is just confirming my points. Soviet Afghan invasion was USSR’s faux pas. I am having a sense of deja vu. Everything is the same in US-Afghan war. Initial delusion of military success turned into debilitating, pointless long warfare. Now this is USA’s faux pas. Rummie got fired from his job, he failed to deliver good planning and analysis.

No surprises Germans are staying off from this mess.

]]> By: Joshua Foust http://registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/the-germans-have-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-299576 Joshua Foust Tue, 28 Nov 2006 05:17:11 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/germans-and-killing/#comment-299576 How shortsighted of you! In fact, the biggest reason the Soviets didn't succeed in completely subjugating the entirety of Afghanistan was they had multinational resistance, spearheaded by the U.S. and funneled through Pakistan. That same dynamic is at work, at least from the Pakistani side, in which the national government denies NATO pursuit rights while offering autonomous zones along the border where Taliban units can shelter with impunity. Spouting conspiracy theories is nice and all when you hide behind a pseudonym, but getting history right matters too. How shortsighted of you! In fact, the biggest reason the Soviets didn’t succeed in completely subjugating the entirety of Afghanistan was they had multinational resistance, spearheaded by the U.S. and funneled through Pakistan. That same dynamic is at work, at least from the Pakistani side, in which the national government denies NATO pursuit rights while offering autonomous zones along the border where Taliban units can shelter with impunity. Spouting conspiracy theories is nice and all when you hide behind a pseudonym, but getting history right matters too.

]]> By: Kyrgyz kid http://registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/the-germans-have-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-299564 Kyrgyz kid Tue, 28 Nov 2006 03:58:26 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/germans-and-killing/#comment-299564 Joshua Foust, when you get my point, it'll be too late. Issue isn't Germans not too willing to engage in war, issue is with Zbigniew Brzezinski geopolitical concepts and Dubya's greedy oil cronies. You can do anything with a bayonet except sit on it . Afghan equation has no military solution. No nation ever conquered Afghanistan, including Alexander The Great. Joshua Foust, when you get my point, it’ll be too late. Issue isn’t Germans not too willing to engage in war, issue is with Zbigniew Brzezinski geopolitical concepts and Dubya’s greedy oil cronies. You can do anything with a bayonet except sit on it . Afghan equation has no military solution. No nation ever conquered Afghanistan, including Alexander The Great.

]]> By: Joshua Foust http://registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/the-germans-have-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-299481 Joshua Foust Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:33:22 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/germans-and-killing/#comment-299481 No, the German's can't take the full brunt of the blame, they just happen to be the ones most openly debating their role in the country. In the Brits' defense, however, the region they are not allowed to leave IS a combat zone, so it's much more difficult to accuse them of shirking responsibility. Kyrgyz Kid, I don't get your point. This isn't about the U.S., or about American media—the source I used was, in fact, German. No, the German’s can’t take the full brunt of the blame, they just happen to be the ones most openly debating their role in the country. In the Brits’ defense, however, the region they are not allowed to leave IS a combat zone, so it’s much more difficult to accuse them of shirking responsibility.

Kyrgyz Kid, I don’t get your point. This isn’t about the U.S., or about American media—the source I used was, in fact, German.

]]> By: Kyrgyz kid http://registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/the-germans-have-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-299453 Kyrgyz kid Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:20:51 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/germans-and-killing/#comment-299453 US president, Dwight D. Eisenhower, forewarned American nation about the dangers of military corruption and influence of military complex on US foreign policy in his farewell speech. His prophetic words and foresight have been confirmed by present day happenings. US mass media is heavily censored. There is no word of high level of casualties in Afghanistan, situation is quickly getting from bad to worse. The war itself is fought for the benefit of Glorious Affiliates of certain politicians and affiliated with them corporations (Halliburton, AES, Carlyle Group, etc) and their personal interests. CNN, Fox and others are silent on this subject. In the long term, their actions are going to damage interests of American nation, I've no doubts on that. Instead of contemplating on real issues, CNN, Fox and others prefer to white-wash things. US president, Dwight D. Eisenhower, forewarned American nation about the dangers of military corruption and influence of military complex on US foreign policy in his farewell speech. His prophetic words and foresight have been confirmed by present day happenings.

US mass media is heavily censored. There is no word of high level of casualties in Afghanistan, situation is quickly getting from bad to worse. The war itself is fought for the benefit of Glorious Affiliates of certain politicians and affiliated with them corporations (Halliburton, AES, Carlyle Group, etc) and their personal interests. CNN, Fox and others are silent on this subject. In the long term, their actions are going to damage interests of American nation, I’ve no doubts on that.

Instead of contemplating on real issues, CNN, Fox and others prefer to white-wash things.

]]> By: yan http://registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/the-germans-have-to-learn/comment-page-1/#comment-299099 yan Fri, 24 Nov 2006 16:39:40 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2006/11/21/germans-and-killing/#comment-299099 [i]At the moment, there are 102 of them, many of which amount to, “we expect the Americans and Canadians and [b]Brits[/b] to help our troops should they come under fire, but we cannot help them.”[/i] The article says it the other way round: "British soldiers, for example, are not to be sent to the north" - in part II, just behind the sentence containing the number 102. I see that the situation is much more comfortable for the Germans, but it seems you can't really blame the current mode of operation exclusively on them. [i]At the moment, there are 102 of them, many of which amount to, “we expect the Americans and Canadians and [b]Brits[/b] to help our troops should they come under fire, but we cannot help them.”[/i]

The article says it the other way round: “British soldiers, for example, are not to be sent to the north” – in part II, just behind the sentence containing the number 102.

I see that the situation is much more comfortable for the Germans, but it seems you can’t really blame the current mode of operation exclusively on them.

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