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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2007/02/14/separating-aid-and-fighting/comment-page-1/#comment-353119</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 03:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree, except that they&#039;re being asked to perform culturally sensitive operations that go way beyond simple security or fighting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree, except that they&#8217;re being asked to perform culturally sensitive operations that go way beyond simple security or fighting.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark (Dad)</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2007/02/14/separating-aid-and-fighting/comment-page-1/#comment-352966</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark (Dad)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Feb 2007 00:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post and comments. I think you have something here. I received a mailing yesterday from the US Naval Reserve encouraging qualified dentist to consider signing up. The ad talked of humanitarian efforts and had pictures of US naval personel helping what appeared to be non-US folks with dental needs. I always thought the military dental corps job was to keep the troops in top fighting form. This wasn&#039;t addressed in the ad as I recall (round filed it, I&#039;m too old).

I disagree with you that the so-called foot-soldiers need to know about the details of humanitarian aid efforts. The military command structure is such that only officers would really need to know what&#039;s going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post and comments. I think you have something here. I received a mailing yesterday from the US Naval Reserve encouraging qualified dentist to consider signing up. The ad talked of humanitarian efforts and had pictures of US naval personel helping what appeared to be non-US folks with dental needs. I always thought the military dental corps job was to keep the troops in top fighting form. This wasn&#8217;t addressed in the ad as I recall (round filed it, I&#8217;m too old).</p>
<p>I disagree with you that the so-called foot-soldiers need to know about the details of humanitarian aid efforts. The military command structure is such that only officers would really need to know what&#8217;s going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, fine, then the commercials with the dad congratulating his son on shaking his hand are still just as bad.  The Army isn&#039;t there for self-esteem, it&#039;s there to defend the country.

And I agree that it&#039;s a shame they weren&#039;t trained well.  But when you&#039;re given a week to get everything ready for deployment, including making arrangements with your job, family, house, and so on, there&#039;s only so much reading you can do.  And the training they got pre-deployment was all tactics and didn&#039;t exactly leave much time for outside studying, at least if they enjoyed eating and sleeping after playing in a swamp for 10 hours.

Plus, and I hate to make this point because it strays dangerously close to Kerry&#039;s malformed &quot;joke&quot;, but these are young, sometimes teenaged grunts who never went to college.  How can they be expected to educate themselves on a region the brass hasn&#039;t yet bothered to learn?

Hrm.  The more I ponder this the more I realize I need to better clarify what exactly I am talking about.  I fully agree with you that the military is really good at moving supplies - it&#039;s part of what makes them so damned good at fighting wars.  But I seriously question whether the DoD should have a role in crafting humanitarian policy, at least apart from a security and maybe logistical perspective.  

Let&#039;s consider this post a muddled start, and I&#039;ll try to craft a more useful framework for further discussion, maybe over the weekend when I&#039;m not at work all day. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, fine, then the commercials with the dad congratulating his son on shaking his hand are still just as bad.  The Army isn&#8217;t there for self-esteem, it&#8217;s there to defend the country.</p>
<p>And I agree that it&#8217;s a shame they weren&#8217;t trained well.  But when you&#8217;re given a week to get everything ready for deployment, including making arrangements with your job, family, house, and so on, there&#8217;s only so much reading you can do.  And the training they got pre-deployment was all tactics and didn&#8217;t exactly leave much time for outside studying, at least if they enjoyed eating and sleeping after playing in a swamp for 10 hours.</p>
<p>Plus, and I hate to make this point because it strays dangerously close to Kerry&#8217;s malformed &#8220;joke&#8221;, but these are young, sometimes teenaged grunts who never went to college.  How can they be expected to educate themselves on a region the brass hasn&#8217;t yet bothered to learn?</p>
<p>Hrm.  The more I ponder this the more I realize I need to better clarify what exactly I am talking about.  I fully agree with you that the military is really good at moving supplies &#8211; it&#8217;s part of what makes them so damned good at fighting wars.  But I seriously question whether the DoD should have a role in crafting humanitarian policy, at least apart from a security and maybe logistical perspective.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s consider this post a muddled start, and I&#8217;ll try to craft a more useful framework for further discussion, maybe over the weekend when I&#8217;m not at work all day. <img src='http://registan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Major John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Major John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, &quot;Army of One&quot; is long gone.  We didn&#039;t like it either :)  It&#039;s &quot;Army Strong&quot; now - try the Army homepage for a look.

Your friends in Iraq that learned nothing - well, double shame.  On them for not learning, and even more on their command (and the S-5) for not teaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, &#8220;Army of One&#8221; is long gone.  We didn&#8217;t like it either <img src='http://registan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   It&#8217;s &#8220;Army Strong&#8221; now &#8211; try the Army homepage for a look.</p>
<p>Your friends in Iraq that learned nothing &#8211; well, double shame.  On them for not learning, and even more on their command (and the S-5) for not teaching.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 03:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think part of what you&#039;re missing is that the DoD isn&#039;t there to do MOOTW missions - that&#039;s mission bloat, brought on in part because the military can be easier to deal with from an administrative perspective.  But that doesn&#039;t make it the best option.

And I think the combination of aid and military is actually a Cold War concept - pre-Cold War, one could say, if you&#039;re making a Wilsonian argument.  The problem is, if the military is to be retasked to perform humanitarian missions, then they need to be re-trained as well, and that does not happen.  My friends get sent to Iraq with training in the tactics they&#039;ll need, and learn almost nothing about the locals, the neighborhoods, the major personalities of the areas they go to.  NATO, and USAID, have both fallen into this trap as well - I documented a joint USAID/NATO team building a dam that had not a single speaker of Dari with them, and the NATO soldiers had bulldozed houses for its construction.  Since they couldn&#039;t speak with the locals, there was deep resentment and anger toward them.

This kind of thing is routine, even if you didn&#039;t experience it.  Unless and until humanitarian field work, including basic health, developmental economics, institutional theory, and local language and culture, is included as a standard and locally-tailored training package for soldiers being deployed on MOOTW missions, I will not trust the military to get the job done.  It would be asking them to do a job they never trained to do.

Oh and about the shrill thing: not to disparage your branch or anything, but I find the &quot;Army of One&quot; commercials incredibly annoying, especially the one where the guy says he joined so he could help flood victims - this during the War on Terror.  What happened to defending the country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of what you&#8217;re missing is that the DoD isn&#8217;t there to do MOOTW missions &#8211; that&#8217;s mission bloat, brought on in part because the military can be easier to deal with from an administrative perspective.  But that doesn&#8217;t make it the best option.</p>
<p>And I think the combination of aid and military is actually a Cold War concept &#8211; pre-Cold War, one could say, if you&#8217;re making a Wilsonian argument.  The problem is, if the military is to be retasked to perform humanitarian missions, then they need to be re-trained as well, and that does not happen.  My friends get sent to Iraq with training in the tactics they&#8217;ll need, and learn almost nothing about the locals, the neighborhoods, the major personalities of the areas they go to.  NATO, and USAID, have both fallen into this trap as well &#8211; I documented a joint USAID/NATO team building a dam that had not a single speaker of Dari with them, and the NATO soldiers had bulldozed houses for its construction.  Since they couldn&#8217;t speak with the locals, there was deep resentment and anger toward them.</p>
<p>This kind of thing is routine, even if you didn&#8217;t experience it.  Unless and until humanitarian field work, including basic health, developmental economics, institutional theory, and local language and culture, is included as a standard and locally-tailored training package for soldiers being deployed on MOOTW missions, I will not trust the military to get the job done.  It would be asking them to do a job they never trained to do.</p>
<p>Oh and about the shrill thing: not to disparage your branch or anything, but I find the &#8220;Army of One&#8221; commercials incredibly annoying, especially the one where the guy says he joined so he could help flood victims &#8211; this during the War on Terror.  What happened to defending the country?</p>
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		<title>By: ElamBend</title>
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		<dc:creator>ElamBend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 01:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not neccessarily so that the military could do the job better.  Also, what does this expansion of roles do to the primary role of the military?  The DoD oversaw the CPA in Iraq and it was a mess.  Now plenty of that could be put upon the over-reliance of political appointees by the administration and the deliberate freeze-out of old hands from State, but the expansion of the role of Defense creates a money sucking beraucracy in the Pentagon.  When it comes time to trim budgets, it will be the desk pilots and not the gun-toters who will be best positioned to protect their kingdoms.
I believe the military can deliver aid AND can see the big picture, I&#039;m not sure the quasi-military DoD that Rumsfeld has created can be trusted to create an effective foreign policy or down the road effectively deliver aid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not neccessarily so that the military could do the job better.  Also, what does this expansion of roles do to the primary role of the military?  The DoD oversaw the CPA in Iraq and it was a mess.  Now plenty of that could be put upon the over-reliance of political appointees by the administration and the deliberate freeze-out of old hands from State, but the expansion of the role of Defense creates a money sucking beraucracy in the Pentagon.  When it comes time to trim budgets, it will be the desk pilots and not the gun-toters who will be best positioned to protect their kingdoms.<br />
I believe the military can deliver aid AND can see the big picture, I&#8217;m not sure the quasi-military DoD that Rumsfeld has created can be trusted to create an effective foreign policy or down the road effectively deliver aid.</p>
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		<title>By: Major John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Major John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 20:59:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting - I would object a bit to the &quot;tin ear&quot; part.  When I was TF Eagle&#039;s S-5 in Parwan, Kapisa, Kabul and Panjshir provinces I was very attuned to &quot;broader strategic considerations&quot;.  I was quite aware of what we needed to do - and how.  Short term help, capacity building (&quot;long term development&quot; even!) and avoidance of &#039;aid-addiction&#039; were all well balanced by my commanders. [The USAID folks I met ranged from fantasically good to useless paper pushers].

Although I grew up, so to speak, in the Cold War military, I have seen warfare change.  If helping with &quot;foreign aid&quot; is now part of it, so be it.

Oh, and &quot;shrill&quot;...?

Good food for thought, your post is.  And the debate you mention is still active inside the Armed Forces too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting &#8211; I would object a bit to the &#8220;tin ear&#8221; part.  When I was TF Eagle&#8217;s S-5 in Parwan, Kapisa, Kabul and Panjshir provinces I was very attuned to &#8220;broader strategic considerations&#8221;.  I was quite aware of what we needed to do &#8211; and how.  Short term help, capacity building (&#8220;long term development&#8221; even!) and avoidance of &#8216;aid-addiction&#8217; were all well balanced by my commanders. [The USAID folks I met ranged from fantasically good to useless paper pushers].</p>
<p>Although I grew up, so to speak, in the Cold War military, I have seen warfare change.  If helping with &#8220;foreign aid&#8221; is now part of it, so be it.</p>
<p>Oh, and &#8220;shrill&#8221;&#8230;?</p>
<p>Good food for thought, your post is.  And the debate you mention is still active inside the Armed Forces too.</p>
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