Comments on: Colonel Mahmud Khudoberdiev: A Dead/Living Uzbek/Lakay Warlord/Hero

By: Kayumars

Kayumars — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:59:42 +0000

RE: “The possibility of Khudoberdiev’s involvement in the Andijan events was really something that people talked about. I am surprised that you learned about it 2 years later.”

At the time I was far more interested in who was involved in the protests/uprising than who was commanding what troops. Plus I had way too many credit hours in a grad school far, far away to do much digging.

Also, I don’t do anything related to policy so I have the luxury of waiting at least a couple of years before attempting an analysis (by which time the most ridiculous of the rumours have usually gone out with the tide).

By: Djana

Djana — Thu, 09 Aug 2007 14:21:33 +0000

The possibility of Khudoberdiev’s involvement in the Andijan events was really something that people talked about. I am surprised that you learned about it 2 years later. Anyway, yes, it is one of the variations of who was involved, but we won’t really know, right?

By: Mark

Mark — Sat, 28 Jul 2007 15:50:52 +0000

Old thread but I just got to read it (I have a real job). So who owns the movie rights to this story?

“have died in a car accident or in
a drunken brawl, although most agree that he was killed at a meeting with Uzbek military officials by his
second in command”

Awesome. Maybe it was a combination of all three.

By: atom 1

atom 1 — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 08:23:41 +0000

didn`t mean the bin laden group per se has a bomb-
but the pakistani military has a few a bombs.
and it would`nt take much more car bombings and a well place bullit for control of that stockpile of bombs to fall into the wrong hands.
and for the delivery of the weapons,
i think the pakistanis have missiles or planes that can reach our friends in the middle east or india or who knows where .
and maybe this nut case could fire a missile at moskow and what do u think the russians would do ?
and i find it hard to believe that the bushies dont have any special ops operation in that area now to eradicate the terrorists.
and as far as uzbeks gov or this colonel guy just think of the capone mob or better yet the russian mob.
this 3rd world country is run like a criminal organization and if it was a corp here they be charge under the rico act .

By: Kayumars

Kayumars — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:49:00 +0000

RE: “what is your larger research project?”

In the broadest sense: behaviour of pre-existing solidarity groups (ethnic, patronage, political, avlod, etc..) and their leaders during civil war in Tajikistan and some other places.

By: Kayumars

Kayumars — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 22:43:38 +0000

RE: “where did you hear he was dead?”

Footnote 95 in Nourzhanov, K. (2005) Europe-Asia Studies Vol.24(2) gives one version:

“The circumstances of Khudoberdyev’s death are unclear. He was reported to have died in a car accident or in
a drunken brawl, although most agree that he was killed at a meeting with Uzbek military officials by his
second in command, Col. Sergei Zvarygin (Nezavisimaia gazeta, 11 October 2001).”

RFE/RL reported that the Uzbek(istani) officers at the meeting may have played a role in his death.

There are other versions in my notes which are way far away from me at the moment. You caught me flat footed. That’s the best I can do at the moment.

By: Michael

Michael — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:41:47 +0000

Fascinating… what is your larger research project?

By: Michael Hancock

Michael Hancock — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:49:31 +0000

Great post, by the way. I have noticed the same vacuum of knowledge and the importance of hearsay and “bozor mish-mish” in determining anything not found in the news media.

By: Michael Hancock

Michael Hancock — Mon, 23 Jul 2007 14:47:31 +0000

We know they have a bomb?

Like what? A nuclear bomb on the back of a donkey cart? Some IEDs? A ‘dirty bomb’? Bin Laden’s ‘group’ has a lot of things, but one thing they don’t have is access to heavy bombers or the airstrips to launch and land them. So anything they bomb they will have to carry the bomb there —

unless I am woefully ignorant of some bomb-mitigating circumstances for the tribal groups in Pakistan. Seems the most likely heavy weapon they would possess would be some WWI-era style gas weapons, something low key and easy to carry around.

By: atom1

atom1 — Sun, 22 Jul 2007 23:27:56 +0000

i notice that bin laden`s group and maybe himself –
is active in or near the border of pakistan and violence is escalating there.
and you know they have the a bomb .
it wont take much to get control and and why worry about some second rate colonel when all hell may break loose soon.
this has been allow to fester because this goofy leader is playing footsie with the tribesmen on the border region.
they are calling for a second surge in iraq when the troops should be hitting hard this border area.