Comments on: US Needs to Address Regeneration Cause of Taliban http://registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/ All Central Asia, All The Time Fri, 25 May 2012 03:15:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Azmal http://registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/comment-page-1/#comment-375866 Azmal Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:57:37 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/#comment-375866 Thanks you mr Azari for a great analyze of Afghanistan’s problem. As long as pashtons whom make majority in Afghanistan remain under represented, the instability in Afghanistan will continue. Afghanistan. The only way to bring peace to Afghanistan is to give pashtons their due share in Afghanistan’s power structure. Thanks you mr Azari for a great analyze of Afghanistan’s problem. As long as pashtons whom make majority in Afghanistan remain under represented, the instability in Afghanistan will continue. Afghanistan. The only way to bring peace to Afghanistan is to give pashtons their due share in Afghanistan’s power structure.

]]> By: Azmal http://registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/comment-page-1/#comment-375864 Azmal Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:57:34 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/#comment-375864 Thanks you mr Azari for a great analyze of Afghanistan’s problem. As long as pashtons whom make majority in Afghanistan remain under represented, the instability in Afghanistan will continue. Afghanistan. The only way to bring peace to Afghanistan is to give pashtons their due share in Afghanistan’s power structure. Thanks you mr Azari for a great analyze of Afghanistan’s problem. As long as pashtons whom make majority in Afghanistan remain under represented, the instability in Afghanistan will continue. Afghanistan. The only way to bring peace to Afghanistan is to give pashtons their due share in Afghanistan’s power structure.

]]> By: Azmal http://registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/comment-page-1/#comment-375865 Azmal Mon, 12 Nov 2007 15:57:34 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/#comment-375865 Thanks you mr Azari for a great analyze of Afghanistan’s problem. As long as pashtons whom make majority in Afghanistan remain under represented, the instability in Afghanistan will continue. Afghanistan. The only way to bring peace to Afghanistan is to give pashtons their due share in Afghanistan’s power structure. Thanks you mr Azari for a great analyze of Afghanistan’s problem. As long as pashtons whom make majority in Afghanistan remain under represented, the instability in Afghanistan will continue. Afghanistan. The only way to bring peace to Afghanistan is to give pashtons their due share in Afghanistan’s power structure.

]]> By: Afghanistani http://registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/comment-page-1/#comment-375424 Afghanistani Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:19:40 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/#comment-375424 This is against the logic and modern society notion! Pashton has the big threat to the domocratization process. Afghanistan-UK This is against the logic and modern society notion! Pashton has the big threat to the domocratization process.

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]]> By: Akbar http://registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/comment-page-1/#comment-375423 Akbar Fri, 24 Aug 2007 15:10:57 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/#comment-375423 It seems Mr. Azari is deeply under the false impression of the old mytholigy in Afghanistan, which was based on Pashtuns's majority and pahtuniziation of national identity of Afghanistan. Today, however, the power balance between south and north has drastically changed, pashtun tribal sturctures are severly damaged, which Ghiljais (represented by Taliban) can not accept supremacy of Duranis (represented by Karzai). In a merely tribal point of view, Taliban insurgency is a violent defiance by Ghljais against Duranis, whose two and hald centure rule in Afghanistan came to an end in 1979. During USSR invasion, the ruling pashtuns in Afghanistan were from Ghilja tribal confederation. Karzai wanted to restore Duranis supremacy after three decade interruption, which Taliban did defy him. So, Mr. Azari, the current war in Afghanistan in an internal power struggle amongst different Pashtun tribal confederations. It seems Mr. Azari is deeply under the false impression of the old mytholigy in Afghanistan, which was based on Pashtuns’s majority and pahtuniziation of national identity of Afghanistan. Today, however, the power balance between south and north has drastically changed, pashtun tribal sturctures are severly damaged, which Ghiljais (represented by Taliban) can not accept supremacy of Duranis (represented by Karzai). In a merely tribal point of view, Taliban insurgency is a violent defiance by Ghljais against Duranis, whose two and hald centure rule in Afghanistan came to an end in 1979. During USSR invasion, the ruling pashtuns in Afghanistan were from Ghilja tribal confederation. Karzai wanted to restore Duranis supremacy after three decade interruption, which Taliban did defy him. So, Mr. Azari, the current war in Afghanistan in an internal power struggle amongst different Pashtun tribal confederations.

]]> By: zalmai http://registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/comment-page-1/#comment-375412 zalmai Wed, 22 Aug 2007 09:58:01 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/#comment-375412 Mr. Azari, I hope that you have read carefully the Persian note above by Mr. Afghanistani. He is absolutely right in saying that your journalistic writings have nothing to do with the “reality” in the ground and they only promote the “fascistic” ideology of Pashtun supremacy and the old mythology of Pashtuns being the “majority” in Afghanistan. Thus only they, the Pashtuns, have the right to rule the country at the expense of the rest of its ethnicities who actually are “the majority” in Afghanistan. The aim of these arguments is legitimating the rule of the Pashtuns in Afghanistan by “internalizing it in the psyche” of its populace and also creating an international consensus around this issue. Particularly Mr. Azari your aim probably is rallying international awareness and consensus for this “fake” and unrealistic ideology. This cannot help at all the problems of the people of Afghanistan and indeed that of the Pashtuns. You have to address the real problem, which situates deep down in the Pashtun tribal structure of thought and way of living. This tribal or primitive way of thinking and living makes them the natural supporters of the Taliban, because Taliban and Talibanism is the product of this way of living. Thus the Taliban are the product of the tribal way of living and the other way about. If the Taliban were brought to the centre of the politics and ruled Afghanistan, like they did in the past, without any representation from other ethnic minorities, still the problem will be there: as we witnessed in the passed. I mean their mentality will not change. But, instead, they would want to make the “others” like them. They would try to universalize this primitive and tribal way of thinking and living; as the only way of living. A person who “represents” and defends (consciously or unconsciously) this primitive (tribal mentality) way of living cannot but be a Taliban himself. He himself may or may not know that he is entangled to this “ideology” for eternity. As a Persian poet once said “the eye can see everything, but itself.” Mr. Azari, I hope that you have read carefully the Persian note above by Mr. Afghanistani. He is absolutely right in saying that your journalistic writings have nothing to do with the “reality” in the ground and they only promote the “fascistic” ideology of Pashtun supremacy and the old mythology of Pashtuns being the “majority” in Afghanistan. Thus only they, the Pashtuns, have the right to rule the country at the expense of the rest of its ethnicities who actually are “the majority” in Afghanistan. The aim of these arguments is legitimating the rule of the Pashtuns in Afghanistan by “internalizing it in the psyche” of its populace and also creating an international consensus around this issue. Particularly Mr. Azari your aim probably is rallying international awareness and consensus for this “fake” and unrealistic ideology.

This cannot help at all the problems of the people of Afghanistan and indeed that of the Pashtuns. You have to address the real problem, which situates deep down in the Pashtun tribal structure of thought and way of living. This tribal or primitive way of thinking and living makes them the natural supporters of the Taliban, because Taliban and Talibanism is the product of this way of living. Thus the Taliban are the product of the tribal way of living and the other way about.

If the Taliban were brought to the centre of the politics and ruled Afghanistan, like they did in the past, without any representation from other ethnic minorities, still the problem will be there: as we witnessed in the passed. I mean their mentality will not change. But, instead, they would want to make the “others” like them. They would try to universalize this primitive and tribal way of thinking and living; as the only way of living.

A person who “represents” and defends (consciously or unconsciously) this primitive (tribal mentality) way of living cannot but be a Taliban himself. He himself may or may not know that he is entangled to this “ideology” for eternity. As a Persian poet once said “the eye can see everything, but itself.”

]]> By: An Afghanistani http://registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/comment-page-1/#comment-375411 An Afghanistani Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:25:21 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/#comment-375411 Mr Afghan! Kabul is with large tajik majority, and in other hand pashtu is a poor language you cant compare it with "Farsi Dari". in pashtu we dont have a single book in social sience or in Philosophy or other sientefic majors, when a students want to research about this issues they looking in Farsi dari Books, Farsi dari is not iranian, actualy its comfrom "Khurasan", Old Afghanistan, now you call it iranian Language, which is not true and you denying your histry and culture, when there is nothing in media in Pashtu, its not becouse they dont like Pashtu,its becouse the Pashtu is not a reach language, and its not theire promlem. you shoul improve your language and edjucate your people and tech them to respect the others not just thier tribe, then we would have a better future and better country, but with a facistic view and prospective you cant improve anything, im sure you cant read or write in pashtu Mr Ehsan Azari, i havent read any article from you in your own language, then dont blame others! Mr Afghan!
Kabul is with large tajik majority, and in other hand pashtu is a poor language you cant compare it with “Farsi Dari”. in pashtu we dont have a single book in social sience or in Philosophy or other sientefic majors, when a students want to research about this issues they looking in Farsi dari Books, Farsi dari is not iranian, actualy its comfrom “Khurasan”, Old Afghanistan, now you call it iranian Language, which is not true and you denying your histry and culture, when there is nothing in media in Pashtu, its not becouse they dont like Pashtu,its becouse the Pashtu is not a reach language, and its not theire promlem. you shoul improve your language and edjucate your people and tech them to respect the others not just thier tribe, then we would have a better future and better country, but with a facistic view and prospective you cant improve anything, im sure you cant read or write in pashtu Mr Ehsan Azari, i havent read any article from you in your own language, then dont blame others!

]]> By: afghan http://registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/comment-page-1/#comment-375409 afghan Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:48:44 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/#comment-375409 Indeed. I would agree with the marginalisation of pashtuns in afghanistan. though statistically they are the majority. Western governments put the population contribution of pashtuns to 40%, which pashtuns do not agree to and exacerbates the current resentment of pashtuns to foreign forces. yet through research, if we check data, there has never been CREDIBLE scientific population consensus. Regarding the pashtun position in Afghanistan, as i recently visited kabul, you will notice far fewer pashtuns being represented in the civil services. Most media outlets represent the language of dari instead pashtu. It brings into attention the frustration of pashtuns such as like myself and i strongly publicise the marginalisation of pashtuns in every gathering as mostly evident in almost every gathering. So, to conclude, i do not want to under-represent tajik and other minorities, but the marginalisation of pashtuns and pashtu everywhere only creates hostility and defeat of the international forces no matter how much they try. as the proverb goes, "Revenge, Hospitality and protection" known as pushtunwali are almost genetic triats in pashtuns and work with us under the umbrella of hospitality and protection rather than revenge. Indeed. I would agree with the marginalisation of pashtuns in afghanistan. though statistically they are the majority. Western governments put the population contribution of pashtuns to 40%, which pashtuns do not agree to and exacerbates the current resentment of pashtuns to foreign forces. yet through research, if we check data, there has never been CREDIBLE scientific population consensus. Regarding the pashtun position in Afghanistan, as i recently visited kabul, you will notice far fewer pashtuns being represented in the civil services. Most media outlets represent the language of dari instead pashtu. It brings into attention the frustration of pashtuns such as like myself and i strongly publicise the marginalisation of pashtuns in every gathering as mostly evident in almost every gathering. So, to conclude, i do not want to under-represent tajik and other minorities, but the marginalisation of pashtuns and pashtu everywhere only creates hostility and defeat of the international forces no matter how much they try. as the proverb goes, “Revenge, Hospitality and protection” known as pushtunwali are almost genetic triats in pashtuns and work with us under the umbrella of hospitality and protection rather than revenge.

]]> By: َAn Afghanistani http://registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/comment-page-1/#comment-375405 َAn Afghanistani Tue, 21 Aug 2007 17:38:35 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2007/08/15/us-needs-to-address-regeneration-cause-of-taliban/#comment-375405 Mr Ehsan Azari! I dont undrestand your argument about the Lack of Pashtun's representetive in power in Afghanistan politics. In your point of viewo there is no space to the other ethnics in Afghanistan, I have a messege in farsi for you. در افغانستان مشکل اصلی عدم حضور پشتونها در قدرت نیست. چه اینکه پشتونها حضور بسیار گسترده ای در قدرت و در نهادهای حکومتی دارند و استدلالهای شما در این مقاله بیشتر به شیادی شبیه است تا منطق علمی. البته این روند زیاد ادامه نخواهد یافت، با این نوشته های به ظاهر علمی و در باطن فاشیستی نمی شود برای زیاده خواهی قومی به بهانهء نا رضایتی پشتونها و حمایت آنها از طالبان پشتوانهء نظری و توجه بین المللی جلب نمود. مشکل حمایت پشتونها از طالبان بیشتر در خواستگاه تفکر قبیله ای و بدویت فکری و عدم وجود مفکورهء تجدد و ترقی در نظام فکری قبیلگی و بدوی نهادینه شده در میان عدهء بسیاری از آنهاست. برای تقویت این نظریه می توانید به مقالهء زیر که فرضیه ای در این باب است مراجعه نمایید:http://www.mazary.net/a/215.html?Itemid=1 من از دوستان عزیز افغان خواهش می کنم این مقالهء زیبا را به انگلیسی ترجمه کنند تا عوامل پس ماندگی افغانستان در سایهء حضور سنتی قدرت یک قوم بدوی از لحاظ جامعه شناسی و انسان شناسی در اختیار همه قرار بگیرد. نظریهء شما در مورد حضور دیگر اقوام غیر واقع بینانه و نژاد پرستانه است. به اطلاع شما دوست ارجمند افغانستان ندیده و به دور از فرهنگ افغانستان و بی نهایت کم اطلاع از اوضاع افغانستان باید رسانیده شود که زمان القاء دروغین سلطهء مشروع یک قوم، و افسانهء اکثریت پشتونی گذشته است. به هر میزان که شما این نظریهء فاشیستی و غیر انسانی را که حقوق دیگر انسانها را نا دیده می گیرد و برای بدویت تبلیغ بین المللی می نماید بیشتر تبلیغ نمایید همینقدر کشور را به قهقرای بیشتر سوق می دهید و دیگران را ترغیب به باز کردن حیلهء شما می نماید. لذا بهتر است که این اراجیف را در اینجا و آنجا تبلیغ نکنیند. Mr Ehsan Azari!

I dont undrestand your argument about the Lack of Pashtun’s representetive in power in Afghanistan politics. In your point of viewo there is no space to the other ethnics in Afghanistan, I have a messege in farsi for you.

در افغانستان مشکل اصلی عدم حضور پشتونها در قدرت نیست. چه اینکه پشتونها حضور بسیار گسترده ای در قدرت و در نهادهای حکومتی دارند و استدلالهای شما در این مقاله بیشتر به شیادی شبیه است تا منطق علمی. البته این روند زیاد ادامه نخواهد یافت، با این نوشته های به ظاهر علمی و در باطن فاشیستی نمی شود برای زیاده خواهی قومی به بهانهء نا رضایتی پشتونها و حمایت آنها از طالبان پشتوانهء نظری و توجه بین المللی جلب نمود. مشکل حمایت پشتونها از طالبان بیشتر در خواستگاه تفکر قبیله ای و بدویت فکری و عدم وجود مفکورهء تجدد و ترقی در نظام فکری قبیلگی و بدوی نهادینه شده در میان عدهء بسیاری از آنهاست. برای تقویت این نظریه می توانید به مقالهء زیر که فرضیه ای در این باب است مراجعه نمایید:http://www.mazary.net/a/215.html?Itemid=1

من از دوستان عزیز افغان خواهش می کنم این مقالهء زیبا را به انگلیسی ترجمه کنند تا عوامل پس ماندگی افغانستان در سایهء حضور سنتی قدرت یک قوم بدوی از لحاظ جامعه شناسی و انسان شناسی در اختیار همه قرار بگیرد.

نظریهء شما در مورد حضور دیگر اقوام غیر واقع بینانه و نژاد پرستانه است. به اطلاع شما دوست ارجمند افغانستان ندیده و به دور از فرهنگ افغانستان و بی نهایت کم اطلاع از اوضاع افغانستان باید رسانیده شود که زمان القاء دروغین سلطهء مشروع یک قوم، و افسانهء اکثریت پشتونی گذشته است. به هر میزان که شما این نظریهء فاشیستی و غیر انسانی را که حقوق دیگر انسانها را نا دیده می گیرد و برای بدویت تبلیغ بین المللی می نماید بیشتر تبلیغ نمایید همینقدر کشور را به قهقرای بیشتر سوق می دهید و دیگران را ترغیب به باز کردن حیلهء شما می نماید. لذا بهتر است که این اراجیف را در اینجا و آنجا تبلیغ نکنیند.

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