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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stuff - a couple of belated thoughts from Siberian Light&#039;s resident armchair lawyer

Usmanov could sue Nathan / Registan for libel in an English court - that Nathan is based in the US, and the site is hosted in the US is irrelevant.  It is read in England, and the article could conceivably affect Usmanov&#039;s reputation in England.

I don&#039;t think anyone can be extradited from the US to UK to answer a libel case (although I could be wrong) but it could certainly cause problems if Nathan wants to come to the UK in future, or has assets here.

The amount of damages awarded are largely related to the &#039;damage&#039; suffered by the person who was libelled.  The more widespread the story comes then (assuming it really is libellous) the greater the damage to Usmanov&#039;s reputation. From Craig Murray&#039;s perspective, I wonder if having the story repeated on many websites increases his exposure  - would the amount of any eventual award against him be increased if bloggers republished his allegations.

And, finally, having looked at the allegations - they&#039;re pretty strong stuff.  I&#039;d imagine Craig could get away with saying Usmanov &#039;was&#039; a criminal - he did jail time, even though pardoned - but Murray goes way further than this, and repeatedly asserts that Usmanov is currently a criminal, which I would think - if true - would be immensely damaging.

Having said all that - like pretty much everyone else here, I&#039;m appalled that Craig&#039;s ISP took the site down based purely on someone&#039;s complaint, rather than any actual legal action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stuff &#8211; a couple of belated thoughts from Siberian Light&#8217;s resident armchair lawyer</p>
<p>Usmanov could sue Nathan / Registan for libel in an English court &#8211; that Nathan is based in the US, and the site is hosted in the US is irrelevant.  It is read in England, and the article could conceivably affect Usmanov&#8217;s reputation in England.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think anyone can be extradited from the US to UK to answer a libel case (although I could be wrong) but it could certainly cause problems if Nathan wants to come to the UK in future, or has assets here.</p>
<p>The amount of damages awarded are largely related to the &#8216;damage&#8217; suffered by the person who was libelled.  The more widespread the story comes then (assuming it really is libellous) the greater the damage to Usmanov&#8217;s reputation. From Craig Murray&#8217;s perspective, I wonder if having the story repeated on many websites increases his exposure  &#8211; would the amount of any eventual award against him be increased if bloggers republished his allegations.</p>
<p>And, finally, having looked at the allegations &#8211; they&#8217;re pretty strong stuff.  I&#8217;d imagine Craig could get away with saying Usmanov &#8216;was&#8217; a criminal &#8211; he did jail time, even though pardoned &#8211; but Murray goes way further than this, and repeatedly asserts that Usmanov is currently a criminal, which I would think &#8211; if true &#8211; would be immensely damaging.</p>
<p>Having said all that &#8211; like pretty much everyone else here, I&#8217;m appalled that Craig&#8217;s ISP took the site down based purely on someone&#8217;s complaint, rather than any actual legal action.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 08:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I&#039;m British and I think our libel laws are ridiculous as well. The main problem, as someone pointed out, is that it is so expensive to mount a defence of publication in court that the mere threat of legal action is normally enough to give an ISP cold feet. Laurence&#039;s bleating is less than convincing on this point. As someone else pointed out, Private Eye has  been running a story for the last couple of months about a prominent Saudi businessman who has been using British libel law to prevent the US publication of books which link him to terrorist financing - on the grounds that four or five copies have been shipped to the UK after being bought on the internet. I don&#039;t know about the truth of those particular accusations, but I do think it suggests that the international rich see the British legal system as a soft touch when it comes to shutting up their critics. In this case Murray has plenty of facts and evidence to support his accusations, and it&#039;s up to Usmanov to refute them in detail. Bullying of this kind suggests that he can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I&#8217;m British and I think our libel laws are ridiculous as well. The main problem, as someone pointed out, is that it is so expensive to mount a defence of publication in court that the mere threat of legal action is normally enough to give an ISP cold feet. Laurence&#8217;s bleating is less than convincing on this point. As someone else pointed out, Private Eye has  been running a story for the last couple of months about a prominent Saudi businessman who has been using British libel law to prevent the US publication of books which link him to terrorist financing &#8211; on the grounds that four or five copies have been shipped to the UK after being bought on the internet. I don&#8217;t know about the truth of those particular accusations, but I do think it suggests that the international rich see the British legal system as a soft touch when it comes to shutting up their critics. In this case Murray has plenty of facts and evidence to support his accusations, and it&#8217;s up to Usmanov to refute them in detail. Bullying of this kind suggests that he can&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamiyat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamiyat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 16:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another thought.
It would be so cool, if Mr. Murray would sue Schillings for libel and defamation in regard of his book &quot;Murder in Samarkand&quot;. Because their allegations decrease the sale of his books in particular and discredit Murray in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another thought.<br />
It would be so cool, if Mr. Murray would sue Schillings for libel and defamation in regard of his book &#8220;Murder in Samarkand&#8221;. Because their allegations decrease the sale of his books in particular and discredit Murray in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hancock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 17:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m still waiting to see how the movie is going to be marketed.  Comedy?  Horror?  Suspense?  One drunken and lecherous diplomat&#039;s misadventures in a country no one&#039;s heard of before, and the outcome of his shenanigans?

Did somebody say Shenanigans!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m still waiting to see how the movie is going to be marketed.  Comedy?  Horror?  Suspense?  One drunken and lecherous diplomat&#8217;s misadventures in a country no one&#8217;s heard of before, and the outcome of his shenanigans?</p>
<p>Did somebody say Shenanigans!?</p>
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		<title>By: Ataman Rakin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ataman Rakin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Don’t know who will play Usmanov - sadly Fatty Arbuckle is dead.&quot;

:))) So are Benny Hill and Jacques Villeret. Danny de Vito then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Don’t know who will play Usmanov &#8211; sadly Fatty Arbuckle is dead.&#8221;</p>
<p> <img src='http://registan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )) So are Benny Hill and Jacques Villeret. Danny de Vito then?</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s Murray&#039;s stating that he wants Usmanov to sue him, from Google cache, http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:01VIiVyGk08J:www.craigmurray.co.uk/+craig+murray&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;gl=us&amp;client=safari:&lt;blockquote&gt;Paul Kelso contacted me before writing his article, and here is the email I sent him:

Hi Paul;
no - Schillings have had no contact with me, except I phoned them to make sure they could find me for a writ! My webhost received a legal threat from Schillings, and my webhost responded to the threat of legal action by taking down one of my articles. I withdraw nothing. I want Usmanov to sue me. He is a , and I know enough about him, and enough 
potential witnesses, to give him a torrid time in a UK court beyond even the ability of Schillings to cover up.

Usmanov knows that, and Schillings are obviously bluffing - although they are writing that my book is &quot;libellous&quot;, it has been out for over a year now, sold over 25,000 copies already, and they have done nothing but spout bollocks.

As you may know, my book is being made into a film next year by Michael Winterbottom and Paramount. Don&#039;t know who will play Usmanov - sadly Fatty Arbuckle is dead.

Craig&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s Murray&#8217;s stating that he wants Usmanov to sue him, from Google cache, <a href="http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:01VIiVyGk08J:www.craigmurray.co.uk/+craig+murray&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=1&#038;gl=us&#038;client=safari:" rel="nofollow">http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:01VIiVyGk08J:www.craigmurray.co.uk/+craig+murray&#038;hl=en&#038;ct=clnk&#038;cd=1&#038;gl=us&#038;client=safari:</a><br />
<blockquote>Paul Kelso contacted me before writing his article, and here is the email I sent him:</p>
<p>Hi Paul;<br />
no &#8211; Schillings have had no contact with me, except I phoned them to make sure they could find me for a writ! My webhost received a legal threat from Schillings, and my webhost responded to the threat of legal action by taking down one of my articles. I withdraw nothing. I want Usmanov to sue me. He is a , and I know enough about him, and enough<br />
potential witnesses, to give him a torrid time in a UK court beyond even the ability of Schillings to cover up.</p>
<p>Usmanov knows that, and Schillings are obviously bluffing &#8211; although they are writing that my book is &#8220;libellous&#8221;, it has been out for over a year now, sold over 25,000 copies already, and they have done nothing but spout bollocks.</p>
<p>As you may know, my book is being made into a film next year by Michael Winterbottom and Paramount. Don&#8217;t know who will play Usmanov &#8211; sadly Fatty Arbuckle is dead.</p>
<p>Craig</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Laurence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Lyndon for your post. I looked at you link to Murray&#039;s new Blogspot site dedicated to Usmanov, http://www.alisherusmanov.blogspot.com/. If Usmanov does not take Murray to court after his invitation to sue, then Murray would seem to have won the round. I can&#039;t tell what is true and what is not true in Murray&#039;s post, although I&#039;m skeptical that his account of what the British Embassy in Moscow told him is &lt;i&gt;verbatim&lt;/i&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;I reported back in 2002 or 2003 in an Ambassadorial top secret telegram to the Foreign Office that Usmanov was the most likely favoured successor of President Karimov as totalitarian leader of Uzbekistan. I also outlined the Gazprom deal (before it happened) and the present by Usmanov to Putin (though in Jastrzebski&#039;s name) of half of Mapobank, a Russian commercial bank owned by Usmanov. I will never forget the priceless reply from our Embassy in Moscow. They said that they had never even heard of Alisher Usmanov, and that Jastrzebski was a jolly nice friend of the Ambassador who would never do anything crooked.&lt;/blockquote&gt; . According to their website, http://www.schillings.co.uk/, Schillings specializes in defamation law and media law, so time will tell whether theirs was an empty threat to Murray--or not</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Lyndon for your post. I looked at you link to Murray&#8217;s new Blogspot site dedicated to Usmanov, <a href="http://www.alisherusmanov.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alisherusmanov.blogspot.com/</a>. If Usmanov does not take Murray to court after his invitation to sue, then Murray would seem to have won the round. I can&#8217;t tell what is true and what is not true in Murray&#8217;s post, although I&#8217;m skeptical that his account of what the British Embassy in Moscow told him is <i>verbatim</i>:<br />
<blockquote>I reported back in 2002 or 2003 in an Ambassadorial top secret telegram to the Foreign Office that Usmanov was the most likely favoured successor of President Karimov as totalitarian leader of Uzbekistan. I also outlined the Gazprom deal (before it happened) and the present by Usmanov to Putin (though in Jastrzebski&#8217;s name) of half of Mapobank, a Russian commercial bank owned by Usmanov. I will never forget the priceless reply from our Embassy in Moscow. They said that they had never even heard of Alisher Usmanov, and that Jastrzebski was a jolly nice friend of the Ambassador who would never do anything crooked.</p></blockquote>
<p> . According to their website, <a href="http://www.schillings.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.schillings.co.uk/</a>, Schillings specializes in defamation law and media law, so time will tell whether theirs was an empty threat to Murray&#8211;or not</p>
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		<title>By: Lyndon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyndon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 22:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for covering this, Nathan.  I might not have seen it otherwise, and I had just been reading the other day about Usmanov&#039;s holdings in &quot;gangster&#039;s paradise&quot; Transdniester/Transnistria/Pridnestrovie, so this story provided a great hook for &lt;a href=&quot;http://scrapsofmoscow.blogspot.com/2007/09/alisher-usmanov.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a post exploring those holdings&lt;/a&gt; (apologies for the self-promo...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for covering this, Nathan.  I might not have seen it otherwise, and I had just been reading the other day about Usmanov&#8217;s holdings in &#8220;gangster&#8217;s paradise&#8221; Transdniester/Transnistria/Pridnestrovie, so this story provided a great hook for <a href="http://scrapsofmoscow.blogspot.com/2007/09/alisher-usmanov.html" rel="nofollow">a post exploring those holdings</a> (apologies for the self-promo&#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 20:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think they&#039;ve covered it. Their site goes down all the time. I don&#039;t know who their host is, but it doesn&#039;t seem super reliable. (Or maybe it&#039;s just being zealous, kind of like when my host blocked accessed to broad swaths of the eastern hemisphere because of spammers.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think they&#8217;ve covered it. Their site goes down all the time. I don&#8217;t know who their host is, but it doesn&#8217;t seem super reliable. (Or maybe it&#8217;s just being zealous, kind of like when my host blocked accessed to broad swaths of the eastern hemisphere because of spammers.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hancock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Hancock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 19:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone know if ComingAnarchy.com going offline is related to the Usmanov/libel action?  Or a server issue?  Just wondering.  I haven&#039;t checked it in a few days, so I&#039;m not sure if they even covered the Usmanov/Murray fiasco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone know if ComingAnarchy.com going offline is related to the Usmanov/libel action?  Or a server issue?  Just wondering.  I haven&#8217;t checked it in a few days, so I&#8217;m not sure if they even covered the Usmanov/Murray fiasco.</p>
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