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		<title>By: Sage</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/03/18/the-problem-with-assassination/comment-page-1/#comment-376616</link>
		<dc:creator>Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In one sense, the US can&#039;t win.  If we insist that Pakistan enforce its border, the area studies types stare down their noses disdainfully, and scoff that Americans have such a primitive understanding of the complexities of the situation--that border is more imginary than real, it&#039;s all an artifice of Westphalian assumptions that do not apply, the locals do not recognize those borders in the first place, Islamabad can&#039;t control it, and so forth.  All of which is basically true, of course.  But if the US behaves--or appears to behave--as though all of that is the case, it is excoriated for violating the involable.  What to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In one sense, the US can&#8217;t win.  If we insist that Pakistan enforce its border, the area studies types stare down their noses disdainfully, and scoff that Americans have such a primitive understanding of the complexities of the situation&#8211;that border is more imginary than real, it&#8217;s all an artifice of Westphalian assumptions that do not apply, the locals do not recognize those borders in the first place, Islamabad can&#8217;t control it, and so forth.  All of which is basically true, of course.  But if the US behaves&#8211;or appears to behave&#8211;as though all of that is the case, it is excoriated for violating the involable.  What to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Sage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua, you&#039;re assuming a whole heck of a lot about what Islamabad does and doesn&#039;t know.  Also there&#039;s this:

&quot;is a &#039;surgical strike&#039; by a Predator actually less risky than a snatch-and-grab by a small special forces team? I can’t see how...&quot;

Really?  You see no greater risk in sending in troops who could be killed, ambushed, caught, paraded in front of cameras, etc.?  Those kidnapping operations are a lot more dangerous and prone to snafu than you seem to think they are, and they&#039;re obviously no less a violation of sovereignty.  It also might occur to you to ask whether the preference for zero boots op&#039;s is ours, or Islamabad&#039;s, or both.

In principle, though, your main point is unassailable--we need to have iron-clad respect for sovereignty &lt;i&gt;where it exists&lt;/i&gt;.  The simple fact is that Pakistan exercises virtually no effective sovereignty in many of the places you&#039;re talking about.  Obviously, Yemen is a different case, and there&#039;s no arguing--to my way of thinking, and yours, apparently--that these kinds of missile attacks are very dirty, hypocritical business where there is de jure sovereignty and we have been granted no explicit permission.

But when the soveriegn authorities don&#039;t issue anything more than a limp, formal protest in the local newspaper, you should probably bury a few assumptions about what did and didn&#039;t get said behind closed doors in the hours before the attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua, you&#8217;re assuming a whole heck of a lot about what Islamabad does and doesn&#8217;t know.  Also there&#8217;s this:</p>
<p>&#8220;is a &#8216;surgical strike&#8217; by a Predator actually less risky than a snatch-and-grab by a small special forces team? I can’t see how&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?  You see no greater risk in sending in troops who could be killed, ambushed, caught, paraded in front of cameras, etc.?  Those kidnapping operations are a lot more dangerous and prone to snafu than you seem to think they are, and they&#8217;re obviously no less a violation of sovereignty.  It also might occur to you to ask whether the preference for zero boots op&#8217;s is ours, or Islamabad&#8217;s, or both.</p>
<p>In principle, though, your main point is unassailable&#8211;we need to have iron-clad respect for sovereignty <i>where it exists</i>.  The simple fact is that Pakistan exercises virtually no effective sovereignty in many of the places you&#8217;re talking about.  Obviously, Yemen is a different case, and there&#8217;s no arguing&#8211;to my way of thinking, and yours, apparently&#8211;that these kinds of missile attacks are very dirty, hypocritical business where there is de jure sovereignty and we have been granted no explicit permission.</p>
<p>But when the soveriegn authorities don&#8217;t issue anything more than a limp, formal protest in the local newspaper, you should probably bury a few assumptions about what did and didn&#8217;t get said behind closed doors in the hours before the attack.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/03/18/the-problem-with-assassination/comment-page-1/#comment-376614</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, no. The equivalent in Pakistan would be if &lt;i&gt;Afghanistan&lt;/i&gt; were responding to cross-border attacks, not the U.S. There is a very good reason Russia never attacked Pakistan during the 80s, and that was because they didn&#039;t have even the shallow excuse of a friendly government &quot;inviting&quot; them to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, no. The equivalent in Pakistan would be if <i>Afghanistan</i> were responding to cross-border attacks, not the U.S. There is a very good reason Russia never attacked Pakistan during the 80s, and that was because they didn&#8217;t have even the shallow excuse of a friendly government &#8220;inviting&#8221; them to.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Barnish</title>
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		<dc:creator>M. Barnish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Imagine the language that the Washington Post would use, if that had been a Pakistani drone strike in Utah.&quot; that analogy is ludicrous. Pakistan is a soveriegn country but they don&#039;t even have control over that region. that makes the border as drawn on a map meaningless. Turkey is attacking terrorists in iraq. Do you feel the same way about them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Imagine the language that the Washington Post would use, if that had been a Pakistani drone strike in Utah.&#8221; that analogy is ludicrous. Pakistan is a soveriegn country but they don&#8217;t even have control over that region. that makes the border as drawn on a map meaningless. Turkey is attacking terrorists in iraq. Do you feel the same way about them?</p>
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