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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/04/01/there-are-no-pashtuns-here/comment-page-1/#comment-376737</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 17:31:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fateh,

That&#039;s not quite it. I have no doubt Punjabs trained in the extremist madrassas are causing trouble in Kashmir; that&#039;s why they were trained. Similarly, I have no doubt there are Arabs and even maybe some Uzbeks amongst the Taliban—given the relationship of the IMU to al-Qaeda, it would make sense. 

I do doubt, however, that Punjabs (or Chechens) are actively fighting in Afghanistan. Without proof beyond a single reporter (and an author who claims Uzbek eat their own young), it is a tough sell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fateh,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not quite it. I have no doubt Punjabs trained in the extremist madrassas are causing trouble in Kashmir; that&#8217;s why they were trained. Similarly, I have no doubt there are Arabs and even maybe some Uzbeks amongst the Taliban—given the relationship of the IMU to al-Qaeda, it would make sense. </p>
<p>I do doubt, however, that Punjabs (or Chechens) are actively fighting in Afghanistan. Without proof beyond a single reporter (and an author who claims Uzbek eat their own young), it is a tough sell.</p>
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		<title>By: Fateh Mohammad</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/04/01/there-are-no-pashtuns-here/comment-page-1/#comment-376734</link>
		<dc:creator>Fateh Mohammad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 04:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Jaushwa wouldn&#039;t like to be enlightened. Pashtuns seem to be too much on his mind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Jaushwa wouldn&#8217;t like to be enlightened. Pashtuns seem to be too much on his mind&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/04/01/there-are-no-pashtuns-here/comment-page-1/#comment-376713</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 23:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Askar-Guraiz,

I&#039;m afraid I don&#039;t understand what you&#039;re arguing. The ICGA post mentions Punjabs only in terms of an ethnic conflict masquerading as a government/tribal conflict (i.e. Punjab Army vs. Pashtun militants). The letter he posts is from a religious minority pushing the idea that the conflict there is motivated, essentially, by the Sunni-Shi&#039;a split—and not that the Punjab are a majority portion of the Taliban. Otherwise, &quot;Punjab&quot; is not really mentioned in the text.

The Abbas piece mentions Punjabi militants in the context of Kashmir, but their role in the Neo-Taliban insurgency in Pakistan (and, more important to this discussion, Afghanistan) is left assumed or unstated.

So, no, it&#039;s not an April Fool&#039;s joke... I just would need more evidence than that to think the Punjab are behind the attacks in Zabul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Askar-Guraiz,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid I don&#8217;t understand what you&#8217;re arguing. The ICGA post mentions Punjabs only in terms of an ethnic conflict masquerading as a government/tribal conflict (i.e. Punjab Army vs. Pashtun militants). The letter he posts is from a religious minority pushing the idea that the conflict there is motivated, essentially, by the Sunni-Shi&#8217;a split—and not that the Punjab are a majority portion of the Taliban. Otherwise, &#8220;Punjab&#8221; is not really mentioned in the text.</p>
<p>The Abbas piece mentions Punjabi militants in the context of Kashmir, but their role in the Neo-Taliban insurgency in Pakistan (and, more important to this discussion, Afghanistan) is left assumed or unstated.</p>
<p>So, no, it&#8217;s not an April Fool&#8217;s joke&#8230; I just would need more evidence than that to think the Punjab are behind the attacks in Zabul.</p>
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		<title>By: Askar-Guraiz</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/04/01/there-are-no-pashtuns-here/comment-page-1/#comment-376712</link>
		<dc:creator>Askar-Guraiz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 22:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua:

This must be an April fool&#039;s post. 

I think you can do better than questioning the presence of Punjabis amongst the Taliban. (I am not saying they are the majority, or that there are no Pushtoons in the insurgency.) Try to see where most of the outlawed militant outfits fighting in Kashmir--yes they used to be lawful or at least borderline--came from and where they are today. You will find some sobering details. Dig here and you find a bit at least: http://icga.blogspot.com/2008/01/do-taliban-represent-pashtun-identity.html

Otherwise, Ahmad Rashid&#039;s book is always there to enlighten. If there is a strong connection at the outset that is ample evidence to suggest there is connectivity. Unless you have a compelling logic that proves there was a break. 

So once proven that there are Punjabis within the Taliban movement, next thing to prove would be why they fight in Afghanistan. Because they don&#039;t want to fight the Pakistan army. That simple. Hassan Abbass can enlighten on this:http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IE24Df02.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua:</p>
<p>This must be an April fool&#8217;s post. </p>
<p>I think you can do better than questioning the presence of Punjabis amongst the Taliban. (I am not saying they are the majority, or that there are no Pushtoons in the insurgency.) Try to see where most of the outlawed militant outfits fighting in Kashmir&#8211;yes they used to be lawful or at least borderline&#8211;came from and where they are today. You will find some sobering details. Dig here and you find a bit at least: <a href="http://icga.blogspot.com/2008/01/do-taliban-represent-pashtun-identity.html" rel="nofollow">http://icga.blogspot.com/2008/01/do-taliban-represent-pashtun-identity.html</a></p>
<p>Otherwise, Ahmad Rashid&#8217;s book is always there to enlighten. If there is a strong connection at the outset that is ample evidence to suggest there is connectivity. Unless you have a compelling logic that proves there was a break. </p>
<p>So once proven that there are Punjabis within the Taliban movement, next thing to prove would be why they fight in Afghanistan. Because they don&#8217;t want to fight the Pakistan army. That simple. Hassan Abbass can enlighten on this:<a href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IE24Df02.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/IE24Df02.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Seitz, 

Thanks for the comment. I had misread the news story to say Mr. Hashem was the head of a shura, not the official council. That is my fault, and I apologize. These are sometimes written in haste, and not edited very well, if at all—the downside of blogging, I suppose.

Herschel, no worries—we all have those days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Seitz, </p>
<p>Thanks for the comment. I had misread the news story to say Mr. Hashem was the head of a shura, not the official council. That is my fault, and I apologize. These are sometimes written in haste, and not edited very well, if at all—the downside of blogging, I suppose.</p>
<p>Herschel, no worries—we all have those days.</p>
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		<title>By: P. Franz Seitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>P. Franz Seitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 02:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m the U.S. Department of State Political Officer at the Zabul Provincial Reconstruction Team, so I know the Chairman of the Zabul Provincial Council, Hajji Hashem.  I won&#039;t comment on the central thread of this discussion; I would just like to clarify a point concerning Hajji Hashem&#039;s status as an elected official (as this seems to be in question judging from Mr. Foust&#039;s April 1 post).  Here is a relevant citation from the IRoA Constitution:

&quot;Article One Hundred and thirty eight
Ch. 8. Art. 3

In every province a provincial council is to be formed.

Members of the provincial council are elected in proportion to the population by free, direct, secret ballot, and general elections by the residents of the province for a period of four years in accordance with the law.

The provincial council elects one of its members as Chairman.&quot;

Zabul&#039;s Provincial Council has eight members, and Hajji Hashem was elected by them as its chairperson.  Two of the members are women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m the U.S. Department of State Political Officer at the Zabul Provincial Reconstruction Team, so I know the Chairman of the Zabul Provincial Council, Hajji Hashem.  I won&#8217;t comment on the central thread of this discussion; I would just like to clarify a point concerning Hajji Hashem&#8217;s status as an elected official (as this seems to be in question judging from Mr. Foust&#8217;s April 1 post).  Here is a relevant citation from the IRoA Constitution:</p>
<p>&#8220;Article One Hundred and thirty eight<br />
Ch. 8. Art. 3</p>
<p>In every province a provincial council is to be formed.</p>
<p>Members of the provincial council are elected in proportion to the population by free, direct, secret ballot, and general elections by the residents of the province for a period of four years in accordance with the law.</p>
<p>The provincial council elects one of its members as Chairman.&#8221;</p>
<p>Zabul&#8217;s Provincial Council has eight members, and Hajji Hashem was elected by them as its chairperson.  Two of the members are women.</p>
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		<title>By: Herschel Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herschel Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 21:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, then sorry to have jumped on you.  An especially bad day, anyway.  The structure of the Taliban as given in the report I cited seems to me to agree with previous reports - some of which I have linked - which show that the Taliban are hidden, scattered, and disconnected from centralized command.  These are the characteristics of distributed operations, a tactic that Hezbollah used against Israel in the last war.  The point I am making, I suppose, is that the continual claims that NATO forces are doing just great in Afghanistan because they win most of the high profile kinetic engagements is irrelevant.  The point is that the Taliban are not primarily using the high profile kinetic engagements to conduct their strategy.

Again, in the comment I should have simply pointed out that I was not agreeing with the report on the makeup of the Taliban rather than jumping at you.  My bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, then sorry to have jumped on you.  An especially bad day, anyway.  The structure of the Taliban as given in the report I cited seems to me to agree with previous reports &#8211; some of which I have linked &#8211; which show that the Taliban are hidden, scattered, and disconnected from centralized command.  These are the characteristics of distributed operations, a tactic that Hezbollah used against Israel in the last war.  The point I am making, I suppose, is that the continual claims that NATO forces are doing just great in Afghanistan because they win most of the high profile kinetic engagements is irrelevant.  The point is that the Taliban are not primarily using the high profile kinetic engagements to conduct their strategy.</p>
<p>Again, in the comment I should have simply pointed out that I was not agreeing with the report on the makeup of the Taliban rather than jumping at you.  My bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herschel, I&#039;m sorry, then, for misunderstanding the point of your post (for the record, you and I agree on a great number of things, including the necessity of an increased force and the dangers of the Taliban&#039;s new focus on NATO&#039;s supply lines). I thought by including the line from Hashem about the foreign fighters, you were highlighting the argument that the insurgents are largely foreign in origin, which is one many Pashtuns in positions of power try to make to remove from them the challenge and responsibility to clean up their own neighborhoods.

Aside from that, I would still question how Hashem knows the cellular structure of the Taliban, if all they are is scattered foreign fighters. Chechens, Punjabis, and Arabs rarely speak Pashto, and few speak Dari. How would he know, if they aren&#039;t mostly Pashtun?

Regardless, I apologize for the misunderstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herschel, I&#8217;m sorry, then, for misunderstanding the point of your post (for the record, you and I agree on a great number of things, including the necessity of an increased force and the dangers of the Taliban&#8217;s new focus on NATO&#8217;s supply lines). I thought by including the line from Hashem about the foreign fighters, you were highlighting the argument that the insurgents are largely foreign in origin, which is one many Pashtuns in positions of power try to make to remove from them the challenge and responsibility to clean up their own neighborhoods.</p>
<p>Aside from that, I would still question how Hashem knows the cellular structure of the Taliban, if all they are is scattered foreign fighters. Chechens, Punjabis, and Arabs rarely speak Pashto, and few speak Dari. How would he know, if they aren&#8217;t mostly Pashtun?</p>
<p>Regardless, I apologize for the misunderstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Herschel Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Herschel Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How absurd and unthinking and stolid of you to link my post and claim that I made any claims whatsoever concerning the blame on foreigners rather than locals.  My discussion had entirely to do with the nature of operations, not the makeup of the insurgency.  I have many more posts on that that go into the complexity of the insurgency and who comprises it.

At the very least, when writing your own posts you owe your readers an accurate rendition of your sources.  In other words.

You can do better than this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How absurd and unthinking and stolid of you to link my post and claim that I made any claims whatsoever concerning the blame on foreigners rather than locals.  My discussion had entirely to do with the nature of operations, not the makeup of the insurgency.  I have many more posts on that that go into the complexity of the insurgency and who comprises it.</p>
<p>At the very least, when writing your own posts you owe your readers an accurate rendition of your sources.  In other words.</p>
<p>You can do better than this.</p>
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