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		<title>By: Turgai Sangar</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/06/02/conversion-community-in-kyrgyzstan/comment-page-1/#comment-377330</link>
		<dc:creator>Turgai Sangar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that we&#039;re at it, a tipsy European diplomat in Bishkek once admitted to me that there is a co-ordinated plan to christianize KG and have a lilypad against Islam in the region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that we&#8217;re at it, a tipsy European diplomat in Bishkek once admitted to me that there is a co-ordinated plan to christianize KG and have a lilypad against Islam in the region.</p>
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		<title>By: Turgai Sangar</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/06/02/conversion-community-in-kyrgyzstan/comment-page-1/#comment-377329</link>
		<dc:creator>Turgai Sangar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good question Gene. I know that. 

There are, however, &#039;tiny&#039; differences between now and then. The kind of Christianity that is being propagated in Central Asia by Western and South Korean sects nowadays is even not remotely that of the historical Nestorian and other Syriac churches that used to exist in the region. 

What we have today are well-funded, orchestrated sects that are connected to the neocon establishment in the US, in stark contrast to the Nestorian and other Syriac churches who often fled to Central Asia to escape persecution *by fellow Christians* in the Roman/Byzantine empire. 

As such, the sects are part of a wider geopolitical agenda and that is not one of &#039;diversity&#039;, &#039;tolerance&#039; and &#039;faith freedom&#039; but about turning the Central Asians into obedient drones in what is a war  between the West (the oppressors) and its local compradores, and Islam (the anti-imperialist resistance).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good question Gene. I know that. </p>
<p>There are, however, &#8216;tiny&#8217; differences between now and then. The kind of Christianity that is being propagated in Central Asia by Western and South Korean sects nowadays is even not remotely that of the historical Nestorian and other Syriac churches that used to exist in the region. </p>
<p>What we have today are well-funded, orchestrated sects that are connected to the neocon establishment in the US, in stark contrast to the Nestorian and other Syriac churches who often fled to Central Asia to escape persecution *by fellow Christians* in the Roman/Byzantine empire. </p>
<p>As such, the sects are part of a wider geopolitical agenda and that is not one of &#8216;diversity&#8217;, &#8216;tolerance&#8217; and &#8216;faith freedom&#8217; but about turning the Central Asians into obedient drones in what is a war  between the West (the oppressors) and its local compradores, and Islam (the anti-imperialist resistance).</p>
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		<title>By: Gene Daniels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gene Daniels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems that all this discussion on &quot;conversion from Islam&quot; has lost sight of one important historical reality, thousands and thousands of Central Asians were Nestorian Christians BEFORE Islam became entrenched here. In fact there was a time when Christians and Muslims lived peacefully side-by-side in great cities like Samarkand and Kashgar. 

So, i it a case of Central Asians &quot;converting&quot; to Christianity, or of them &quot;returning&quot; to one of the religions of their ancestors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems that all this discussion on &#8220;conversion from Islam&#8221; has lost sight of one important historical reality, thousands and thousands of Central Asians were Nestorian Christians BEFORE Islam became entrenched here. In fact there was a time when Christians and Muslims lived peacefully side-by-side in great cities like Samarkand and Kashgar. </p>
<p>So, i it a case of Central Asians &#8220;converting&#8221; to Christianity, or of them &#8220;returning&#8221; to one of the religions of their ancestors?</p>
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		<title>By: Turgai Sangar</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/06/02/conversion-community-in-kyrgyzstan/comment-page-1/#comment-377291</link>
		<dc:creator>Turgai Sangar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 10:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, tictoc, Dolkun et alii: in case you think that I’m paranoid because I &quot;see wars that do not exist&quot; or that this idea that these Baptist and other Protestant sects are nothing but a tool of neo-colonial subjugation is a lone fallacy of mine, this might be interesting reading...

Протестантизм и католицизм в аспекте геополитики и постсоветское пространство (1990-е гг.)
http://islamrf.ru/articles.php?razdel=3&amp;sid=1962

This is also a good one: Глобализация и Ислам
http://www.islamrf.ru/articles.php?razdel=3&amp;sid=1173

(apparently, for some technical reason my pre-previous message was posted six times)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, tictoc, Dolkun et alii: in case you think that I’m paranoid because I &#8220;see wars that do not exist&#8221; or that this idea that these Baptist and other Protestant sects are nothing but a tool of neo-colonial subjugation is a lone fallacy of mine, this might be interesting reading&#8230;</p>
<p>Протестантизм и католицизм в аспекте геополитики и постсоветское пространство (1990-е гг.)<br />
<a href="http://islamrf.ru/articles.php?razdel=3&#038;sid=1962" rel="nofollow">http://islamrf.ru/articles.php?razdel=3&#038;sid=1962</a></p>
<p>This is also a good one: Глобализация и Ислам<br />
<a href="http://www.islamrf.ru/articles.php?razdel=3&#038;sid=1173" rel="nofollow">http://www.islamrf.ru/articles.php?razdel=3&#038;sid=1173</a></p>
<p>(apparently, for some technical reason my pre-previous message was posted six times)</p>
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		<title>By: Turgai Sangar</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/06/02/conversion-community-in-kyrgyzstan/comment-page-1/#comment-377288</link>
		<dc:creator>Turgai Sangar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Take teh desturction of nature&quot;

Oops. Take the global destruction of nature out of bestial greed and the coming backlash that it will have. There mankind will realize what its limits are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Take teh desturction of nature&#8221;</p>
<p>Oops. Take the global destruction of nature out of bestial greed and the coming backlash that it will have. There mankind will realize what its limits are.</p>
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		<title>By: Turgai Sangar</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/06/02/conversion-community-in-kyrgyzstan/comment-page-1/#comment-377284</link>
		<dc:creator>Turgai Sangar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Islam (in and of itself) isn’t an ideology of resistance and liberation. The word “islam” itself means submission.&quot; 

Islam indeed means submission... to God. 

Don&#039;t try to impress me that today there is science and so on. Islam and science are compatible as they were during the times of the great Islamic civilizations. 

Mankind can achieve a lot but at a certian moment it can not explain and grasp the fundaments of being. Also, mankind and history are basically the theatre of a constant war between the good and evil in which man&#039;s achievements are instrumentalized.  Take teh desturction of nature 

It does not means social submission. Many rotten practices that are often associated with Islam are not Islamic but tribal, tradionalist and feudal. That is why we have to de-tribalise Islam and go forward to the fundaments of the faith as they were laid down by the Prophet (s.a.a.w) and his companions. 

In this respect there is one point where I agree with you and that is that traditionalist imams and gaga village elders get sidelined more and more because they are not part of the dynamics within Islam any more.

&quot;Young people in Central Asia today need to be wary of those who drape themselves in a cloak of nationalism or Islamic purity. They may be wolves in sheeps clothing who only desire power.&quot;

We can say exactly the same about those who preach &#039;liberalism&#039; or at least pay lip service to it for the sake of getting USAID and EU grants. Again: all they&#039;re out for is to turn the Central Asian youth into moronic parodies of Westerners, prostitutes and drug addicts for the sake of controling and humiliate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Islam (in and of itself) isn’t an ideology of resistance and liberation. The word “islam” itself means submission.&#8221; </p>
<p>Islam indeed means submission&#8230; to God. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t try to impress me that today there is science and so on. Islam and science are compatible as they were during the times of the great Islamic civilizations. </p>
<p>Mankind can achieve a lot but at a certian moment it can not explain and grasp the fundaments of being. Also, mankind and history are basically the theatre of a constant war between the good and evil in which man&#8217;s achievements are instrumentalized.  Take teh desturction of nature </p>
<p>It does not means social submission. Many rotten practices that are often associated with Islam are not Islamic but tribal, tradionalist and feudal. That is why we have to de-tribalise Islam and go forward to the fundaments of the faith as they were laid down by the Prophet (s.a.a.w) and his companions. </p>
<p>In this respect there is one point where I agree with you and that is that traditionalist imams and gaga village elders get sidelined more and more because they are not part of the dynamics within Islam any more.</p>
<p>&#8220;Young people in Central Asia today need to be wary of those who drape themselves in a cloak of nationalism or Islamic purity. They may be wolves in sheeps clothing who only desire power.&#8221;</p>
<p>We can say exactly the same about those who preach &#8216;liberalism&#8217; or at least pay lip service to it for the sake of getting USAID and EU grants. Again: all they&#8217;re out for is to turn the Central Asian youth into moronic parodies of Westerners, prostitutes and drug addicts for the sake of controling and humiliate them.</p>
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		<title>By: Turgai Sangar</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/06/02/conversion-community-in-kyrgyzstan/comment-page-1/#comment-377285</link>
		<dc:creator>Turgai Sangar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Islam (in and of itself) isn’t an ideology of resistance and liberation. The word “islam” itself means submission.&quot; 

Islam indeed means submission... to God. 

Don&#039;t try to impress me that today there is science and so on. Islam and science are compatible as they were during the times of the great Islamic civilizations. 

Mankind can achieve a lot but at a certian moment it can not explain and grasp the fundaments of being. Also, mankind and history are basically the theatre of a constant war between the good and evil in which man&#039;s achievements are instrumentalized.  Take teh desturction of nature 

It does not means social submission. Many rotten practices that are often associated with Islam are not Islamic but tribal, tradionalist and feudal. That is why we have to de-tribalise Islam and go forward to the fundaments of the faith as they were laid down by the Prophet (s.a.a.w) and his companions. 

In this respect there is one point where I agree with you and that is that traditionalist imams and gaga village elders get sidelined more and more because they are not part of the dynamics within Islam any more.

&quot;Young people in Central Asia today need to be wary of those who drape themselves in a cloak of nationalism or Islamic purity. They may be wolves in sheeps clothing who only desire power.&quot;

We can say exactly the same about those who preach &#039;liberalism&#039; or at least pay lip service to it for the sake of getting USAID and EU grants. Again: all they&#039;re out for is to turn the Central Asian youth into moronic parodies of Westerners, prostitutes and drug addicts for the sake of controling and humiliate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Islam (in and of itself) isn’t an ideology of resistance and liberation. The word “islam” itself means submission.&#8221; </p>
<p>Islam indeed means submission&#8230; to God. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t try to impress me that today there is science and so on. Islam and science are compatible as they were during the times of the great Islamic civilizations. </p>
<p>Mankind can achieve a lot but at a certian moment it can not explain and grasp the fundaments of being. Also, mankind and history are basically the theatre of a constant war between the good and evil in which man&#8217;s achievements are instrumentalized.  Take teh desturction of nature </p>
<p>It does not means social submission. Many rotten practices that are often associated with Islam are not Islamic but tribal, tradionalist and feudal. That is why we have to de-tribalise Islam and go forward to the fundaments of the faith as they were laid down by the Prophet (s.a.a.w) and his companions. </p>
<p>In this respect there is one point where I agree with you and that is that traditionalist imams and gaga village elders get sidelined more and more because they are not part of the dynamics within Islam any more.</p>
<p>&#8220;Young people in Central Asia today need to be wary of those who drape themselves in a cloak of nationalism or Islamic purity. They may be wolves in sheeps clothing who only desire power.&#8221;</p>
<p>We can say exactly the same about those who preach &#8216;liberalism&#8217; or at least pay lip service to it for the sake of getting USAID and EU grants. Again: all they&#8217;re out for is to turn the Central Asian youth into moronic parodies of Westerners, prostitutes and drug addicts for the sake of controling and humiliate them.</p>
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		<title>By: Turgai Sangar</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/06/02/conversion-community-in-kyrgyzstan/comment-page-1/#comment-377286</link>
		<dc:creator>Turgai Sangar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Islam (in and of itself) isn’t an ideology of resistance and liberation. The word “islam” itself means submission.&quot; 

Islam indeed means submission... to God. 

Don&#039;t try to impress me that today there is science and so on. Islam and science are compatible as they were during the times of the great Islamic civilizations. 

Mankind can achieve a lot but at a certian moment it can not explain and grasp the fundaments of being. Also, mankind and history are basically the theatre of a constant war between the good and evil in which man&#039;s achievements are instrumentalized.  Take teh desturction of nature 

It does not means social submission. Many rotten practices that are often associated with Islam are not Islamic but tribal, tradionalist and feudal. That is why we have to de-tribalise Islam and go forward to the fundaments of the faith as they were laid down by the Prophet (s.a.a.w) and his companions. 

In this respect there is one point where I agree with you and that is that traditionalist imams and gaga village elders get sidelined more and more because they are not part of the dynamics within Islam any more.

&quot;Young people in Central Asia today need to be wary of those who drape themselves in a cloak of nationalism or Islamic purity. They may be wolves in sheeps clothing who only desire power.&quot;

We can say exactly the same about those who preach &#039;liberalism&#039; or at least pay lip service to it for the sake of getting USAID and EU grants. Again: all they&#039;re out for is to turn the Central Asian youth into moronic parodies of Westerners, prostitutes and drug addicts for the sake of controling and humiliate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Islam (in and of itself) isn’t an ideology of resistance and liberation. The word “islam” itself means submission.&#8221; </p>
<p>Islam indeed means submission&#8230; to God. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t try to impress me that today there is science and so on. Islam and science are compatible as they were during the times of the great Islamic civilizations. </p>
<p>Mankind can achieve a lot but at a certian moment it can not explain and grasp the fundaments of being. Also, mankind and history are basically the theatre of a constant war between the good and evil in which man&#8217;s achievements are instrumentalized.  Take teh desturction of nature </p>
<p>It does not means social submission. Many rotten practices that are often associated with Islam are not Islamic but tribal, tradionalist and feudal. That is why we have to de-tribalise Islam and go forward to the fundaments of the faith as they were laid down by the Prophet (s.a.a.w) and his companions. </p>
<p>In this respect there is one point where I agree with you and that is that traditionalist imams and gaga village elders get sidelined more and more because they are not part of the dynamics within Islam any more.</p>
<p>&#8220;Young people in Central Asia today need to be wary of those who drape themselves in a cloak of nationalism or Islamic purity. They may be wolves in sheeps clothing who only desire power.&#8221;</p>
<p>We can say exactly the same about those who preach &#8216;liberalism&#8217; or at least pay lip service to it for the sake of getting USAID and EU grants. Again: all they&#8217;re out for is to turn the Central Asian youth into moronic parodies of Westerners, prostitutes and drug addicts for the sake of controling and humiliate them.</p>
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		<title>By: Turgai Sangar</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/06/02/conversion-community-in-kyrgyzstan/comment-page-1/#comment-377287</link>
		<dc:creator>Turgai Sangar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Islam (in and of itself) isn’t an ideology of resistance and liberation. The word “islam” itself means submission.&quot; 

Islam indeed means submission... to God. 

Don&#039;t try to impress me that today there is science and so on. Islam and science are compatible as they were during the times of the great Islamic civilizations. 

Mankind can achieve a lot but at a certian moment it can not explain and grasp the fundaments of being. Also, mankind and history are basically the theatre of a constant war between the good and evil in which man&#039;s achievements are instrumentalized.  Take teh desturction of nature 

It does not means social submission. Many rotten practices that are often associated with Islam are not Islamic but tribal, tradionalist and feudal. That is why we have to de-tribalise Islam and go forward to the fundaments of the faith as they were laid down by the Prophet (s.a.a.w) and his companions. 

In this respect there is one point where I agree with you and that is that traditionalist imams and gaga village elders get sidelined more and more because they are not part of the dynamics within Islam any more.

&quot;Young people in Central Asia today need to be wary of those who drape themselves in a cloak of nationalism or Islamic purity. They may be wolves in sheeps clothing who only desire power.&quot;

We can say exactly the same about those who preach &#039;liberalism&#039; or at least pay lip service to it for the sake of getting USAID and EU grants. Again: all they&#039;re out for is to turn the Central Asian youth into moronic parodies of Westerners, prostitutes and drug addicts for the sake of controling and humiliate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Islam (in and of itself) isn’t an ideology of resistance and liberation. The word “islam” itself means submission.&#8221; </p>
<p>Islam indeed means submission&#8230; to God. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t try to impress me that today there is science and so on. Islam and science are compatible as they were during the times of the great Islamic civilizations. </p>
<p>Mankind can achieve a lot but at a certian moment it can not explain and grasp the fundaments of being. Also, mankind and history are basically the theatre of a constant war between the good and evil in which man&#8217;s achievements are instrumentalized.  Take teh desturction of nature </p>
<p>It does not means social submission. Many rotten practices that are often associated with Islam are not Islamic but tribal, tradionalist and feudal. That is why we have to de-tribalise Islam and go forward to the fundaments of the faith as they were laid down by the Prophet (s.a.a.w) and his companions. </p>
<p>In this respect there is one point where I agree with you and that is that traditionalist imams and gaga village elders get sidelined more and more because they are not part of the dynamics within Islam any more.</p>
<p>&#8220;Young people in Central Asia today need to be wary of those who drape themselves in a cloak of nationalism or Islamic purity. They may be wolves in sheeps clothing who only desire power.&#8221;</p>
<p>We can say exactly the same about those who preach &#8216;liberalism&#8217; or at least pay lip service to it for the sake of getting USAID and EU grants. Again: all they&#8217;re out for is to turn the Central Asian youth into moronic parodies of Westerners, prostitutes and drug addicts for the sake of controling and humiliate them.</p>
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		<title>By: Turgai Sangar</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/06/02/conversion-community-in-kyrgyzstan/comment-page-1/#comment-377282</link>
		<dc:creator>Turgai Sangar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 15:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Islam (in and of itself) isn’t an ideology of resistance and liberation. The word “islam” itself means submission.&quot; 

Islam indeed means submission... to God. 

Don&#039;t try to impress me that today there is science and so on. Islam and science are compatible as they were during the times of the great Islamic civilizations. 

Mankind can achieve a lot but at a certian moment it can not explain and grasp the fundaments of being. Also, mankind and history are basically the theatre of a constant war between the good and evil in which man&#039;s achievements are instrumentalized.  Take teh desturction of nature 

It does not means social submission. Many rotten practices that are often associated with Islam are not Islamic but tribal, tradionalist and feudal. That is why we have to de-tribalise Islam and go forward to the fundaments of the faith as they were laid down by the Prophet (s.a.a.w) and his companions. 

In this respect there is one point where I agree with you and that is that traditionalist imams and gaga village elders get sidelined more and more because they are not part of the dynamics within Islam any more.

&quot;Young people in Central Asia today need to be wary of those who drape themselves in a cloak of nationalism or Islamic purity. They may be wolves in sheeps clothing who only desire power.&quot;

We can say exactly the same about those who preach &#039;liberalism&#039; or at least pay lip service to it for the sake of getting USAID and EU grants. Again: all they&#039;re out for is to turn the Central Asian youth into moronic parodies of Westerners, prostitutes and drug addicts for the sake of controling and humiliate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Islam (in and of itself) isn’t an ideology of resistance and liberation. The word “islam” itself means submission.&#8221; </p>
<p>Islam indeed means submission&#8230; to God. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t try to impress me that today there is science and so on. Islam and science are compatible as they were during the times of the great Islamic civilizations. </p>
<p>Mankind can achieve a lot but at a certian moment it can not explain and grasp the fundaments of being. Also, mankind and history are basically the theatre of a constant war between the good and evil in which man&#8217;s achievements are instrumentalized.  Take teh desturction of nature </p>
<p>It does not means social submission. Many rotten practices that are often associated with Islam are not Islamic but tribal, tradionalist and feudal. That is why we have to de-tribalise Islam and go forward to the fundaments of the faith as they were laid down by the Prophet (s.a.a.w) and his companions. </p>
<p>In this respect there is one point where I agree with you and that is that traditionalist imams and gaga village elders get sidelined more and more because they are not part of the dynamics within Islam any more.</p>
<p>&#8220;Young people in Central Asia today need to be wary of those who drape themselves in a cloak of nationalism or Islamic purity. They may be wolves in sheeps clothing who only desire power.&#8221;</p>
<p>We can say exactly the same about those who preach &#8216;liberalism&#8217; or at least pay lip service to it for the sake of getting USAID and EU grants. Again: all they&#8217;re out for is to turn the Central Asian youth into moronic parodies of Westerners, prostitutes and drug addicts for the sake of controling and humiliate them.</p>
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