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		<title>By: Josh SN</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/07/27/afghanistan-the-narco-state/comment-page-1/#comment-377644</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 18:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad Afghan sovereignty includes the right to consult the U.S. and E.U. about its domestic political interests.

I totally agree that legalization is, for all intents and purposes, off the table. The  I&#039;d disagree that the Afghan state&#039;s inability to tax or regulate is a reason not to consider it. It is clear that a) they&#039;d be spending less on eradication, so could spend a little more on tax collection, and, b) even with modest tax compliance on the legal crop, they&#039;d have even more for the same.

It simply isn&#039;t an accident that the Golden Triangle and Colombia, Bolivia, Peru (the White Triangle?) are political basket cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad Afghan sovereignty includes the right to consult the U.S. and E.U. about its domestic political interests.</p>
<p>I totally agree that legalization is, for all intents and purposes, off the table. The  I&#8217;d disagree that the Afghan state&#8217;s inability to tax or regulate is a reason not to consider it. It is clear that a) they&#8217;d be spending less on eradication, so could spend a little more on tax collection, and, b) even with modest tax compliance on the legal crop, they&#8217;d have even more for the same.</p>
<p>It simply isn&#8217;t an accident that the Golden Triangle and Colombia, Bolivia, Peru (the White Triangle?) are political basket cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, we&#039;ve looked into that. In Afghanistan in particular, there are major barriers to making legalization feasible -- starting with domestic american and european politics, and ending with the inability of the afghan state to levy taxes or regulate industry. There needs to be a lot more development all around before a rational solution like that is feasible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, we&#8217;ve looked into that. In Afghanistan in particular, there are major barriers to making legalization feasible &#8212; starting with domestic american and european politics, and ending with the inability of the afghan state to levy taxes or regulate industry. There needs to be a lot more development all around before a rational solution like that is feasible.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh SN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank goodness no one ever thinks to legalize opium or coca production! Al Capone and the U.S. Great Depression proved that prohibition works!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank goodness no one ever thinks to legalize opium or coca production! Al Capone and the U.S. Great Depression proved that prohibition works!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian,

Oh, absolutely. But if you think about how young, fragile states have developed throughout history, how many have been able stand up to their biggest industrialists? Not many. In Afghanistan, you&#039;ve got the added pressure of warlords just waiting to call upon their tribe or ethnic group to bring the whole experiment in democracy crashing down. 

Karzai will eventually have to tackle the biggest drug traffickers in the government. The fact that he hasn&#039;t isn&#039;t because he doesn&#039;t want to, in my opinion, but rather because the state has neither the institutional capacity or strength to do so. 

Afghanistan will take a long time to figure all its interconnected problems out. A long time. The international community seems to want it done on a hurried schedule, something that no one can expect would work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian,</p>
<p>Oh, absolutely. But if you think about how young, fragile states have developed throughout history, how many have been able stand up to their biggest industrialists? Not many. In Afghanistan, you&#8217;ve got the added pressure of warlords just waiting to call upon their tribe or ethnic group to bring the whole experiment in democracy crashing down. </p>
<p>Karzai will eventually have to tackle the biggest drug traffickers in the government. The fact that he hasn&#8217;t isn&#8217;t because he doesn&#8217;t want to, in my opinion, but rather because the state has neither the institutional capacity or strength to do so. </p>
<p>Afghanistan will take a long time to figure all its interconnected problems out. A long time. The international community seems to want it done on a hurried schedule, something that no one can expect would work.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Karzai allowing the drug trade to go unchecked, Schweich didn&#039;t mention any specific examples. But let&#039;s take, for instance, this guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sher_Mohammed_Akhundzada

Governor of Helmand. Busted with gigantic quantities of opium. Appointed, naturally, to the upper house of parliament. Almost certainly a major player in the opium trade to this day.

Many of the drug lords ended up in the parliament--and Karzai&#039;s ability to stay in power was to a degree dependent on not upsetting them. 

I&#039;m not saying Schweich is right on everything, but it&#039;s no secret that the drug lords maintain a big influence over the political affairs of the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Karzai allowing the drug trade to go unchecked, Schweich didn&#8217;t mention any specific examples. But let&#8217;s take, for instance, this guy:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sher_Mohammed_Akhundzada" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sher_Mohammed_Akhundzada</a></p>
<p>Governor of Helmand. Busted with gigantic quantities of opium. Appointed, naturally, to the upper house of parliament. Almost certainly a major player in the opium trade to this day.</p>
<p>Many of the drug lords ended up in the parliament&#8211;and Karzai&#8217;s ability to stay in power was to a degree dependent on not upsetting them. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying Schweich is right on everything, but it&#8217;s no secret that the drug lords maintain a big influence over the political affairs of the country.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed. It is totally self-serving, which is why my instinct is to discount even his valid points.

I love in particular how he talks about how awesome it was to land in a poppy field, when I believe this same incident was described by Joel Hafvenstein in &quot;Opium Season.&quot; He writes about it as emblematic of how shoddy the counternarcotics campaign was, and how clueless U.S. officials were.

Which sounds about right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed. It is totally self-serving, which is why my instinct is to discount even his valid points.</p>
<p>I love in particular how he talks about how awesome it was to land in a poppy field, when I believe this same incident was described by Joel Hafvenstein in &#8220;Opium Season.&#8221; He writes about it as emblematic of how shoddy the counternarcotics campaign was, and how clueless U.S. officials were.</p>
<p>Which sounds about right.</p>
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		<title>By: Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Schweich lost me when he swore early on that aerial spraying would be the best solution to the opium problem. Interesingly, while he mentions a few countries in which it worked, he ignores the obvious country where it didn&#039;t - Colombia. That country has actually seen an increase in coca production, the $600 million in annual U.S. anti-drug aid notwithstanding. He also doesn&#039;t delve into the psychological aspect of aerial spraying. During the war with the Soviet Union, the Soviets used to use plans to spray poisons on troops and villages. Does Schweich think that those same villagers might now guess that the poison is actually just aimed at opium poppies?

Finally, he makes a big point of accusing President Karzai, his family and his government of allowing the drug trade to flourish. He even admits that the intelligence proving it is unclassified and widely available. But then...he doesn&#039;t actually provide any of it. If you&#039;re going to make such grandoise accusations, BACK THEM UP. 

Unfortunately, Schweich missed the chance to start a meaningful conversation on a difficult topic. Instead, his comes off as self-serving and his article as typical Washington score-settling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schweich lost me when he swore early on that aerial spraying would be the best solution to the opium problem. Interesingly, while he mentions a few countries in which it worked, he ignores the obvious country where it didn&#8217;t &#8211; Colombia. That country has actually seen an increase in coca production, the $600 million in annual U.S. anti-drug aid notwithstanding. He also doesn&#8217;t delve into the psychological aspect of aerial spraying. During the war with the Soviet Union, the Soviets used to use plans to spray poisons on troops and villages. Does Schweich think that those same villagers might now guess that the poison is actually just aimed at opium poppies?</p>
<p>Finally, he makes a big point of accusing President Karzai, his family and his government of allowing the drug trade to flourish. He even admits that the intelligence proving it is unclassified and widely available. But then&#8230;he doesn&#8217;t actually provide any of it. If you&#8217;re going to make such grandoise accusations, BACK THEM UP. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, Schweich missed the chance to start a meaningful conversation on a difficult topic. Instead, his comes off as self-serving and his article as typical Washington score-settling.</p>
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