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		<title>By: Prithvi</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/08/08/the-caucasus-drops/comment-page-1/#comment-377734</link>
		<dc:creator>Prithvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sophistry of the international community&#039;s reaction is remarkable and painful in equal measure.  With a few notable exceptions (i.e. Baltic states, Poland, Sweden, others), there&#039;s been this general talk of condemning the &quot;violence&quot; and urging both sides to show &quot;restraint&quot;.  It&#039;s not as if violence were this impersonal hurricane that broke over the Caucasus and ruined the happy lives of Russians, Ossetians, and Georgians previously living in harmony.  Violence is caused by human beings, and here it is clearly a callous political tool engineered by Russia.

This is a simplistic analogy, but imagine you&#039;re undergoing a home invasion, the police show up and start blaring from bullhorns for you to show &quot;restraint&quot; as the burglars destroy your property and threaten your physical safety and urge you to peacefully negotiate them out of your home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sophistry of the international community&#8217;s reaction is remarkable and painful in equal measure.  With a few notable exceptions (i.e. Baltic states, Poland, Sweden, others), there&#8217;s been this general talk of condemning the &#8220;violence&#8221; and urging both sides to show &#8220;restraint&#8221;.  It&#8217;s not as if violence were this impersonal hurricane that broke over the Caucasus and ruined the happy lives of Russians, Ossetians, and Georgians previously living in harmony.  Violence is caused by human beings, and here it is clearly a callous political tool engineered by Russia.</p>
<p>This is a simplistic analogy, but imagine you&#8217;re undergoing a home invasion, the police show up and start blaring from bullhorns for you to show &#8220;restraint&#8221; as the burglars destroy your property and threaten your physical safety and urge you to peacefully negotiate them out of your home.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/08/08/the-caucasus-drops/comment-page-1/#comment-377733</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that last line should read:

I also heard Almond on Radio 4 banging on about authoritarianism and poverty in Georgia and neglecting to mention that precisely the same things are true of Russia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that last line should read:</p>
<p>I also heard Almond on Radio 4 banging on about authoritarianism and poverty in Georgia and neglecting to mention that precisely the same things are true of Russia.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2008/08/08/the-caucasus-drops/comment-page-1/#comment-377732</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m amazed we’ve not attracted any of the hordes of Russian commenters leaving charming messages about the savage inhumanity of Georgians and the bottomless well of Russia’s love and concern for the rights of all oppressed peoples. (Those who want a taste can watch Russian news broadcasts.)&lt;/i&gt;

And a good thing too.  Be  thankful also you&#039;ve not attracted the pro-Russia leftists (aka &#039;tankies&#039;) who&#039;ve spent most of the past seven years bleating about &#039;Western imperialism&#039; in Iraq and Afghanistan and who can now be seen swarming all over CiF in praise of Mark Almond&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/09/georgia.russia1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;excreble piece&lt;/a&gt; on the situation.

We all  appreciate the complexity of the situation but there is nary a word of condemnation for Russia - in  striking contrast to the sub ed&#039;s strapline

 I also heard Almond banging on about authoritarianism and poverty in Georgia and neglecting to mention that precisely the same things are true of Russia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m amazed we’ve not attracted any of the hordes of Russian commenters leaving charming messages about the savage inhumanity of Georgians and the bottomless well of Russia’s love and concern for the rights of all oppressed peoples. (Those who want a taste can watch Russian news broadcasts.)</i></p>
<p>And a good thing too.  Be  thankful also you&#8217;ve not attracted the pro-Russia leftists (aka &#8216;tankies&#8217;) who&#8217;ve spent most of the past seven years bleating about &#8216;Western imperialism&#8217; in Iraq and Afghanistan and who can now be seen swarming all over CiF in praise of Mark Almond&#8217;s <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/aug/09/georgia.russia1" rel="nofollow">excreble piece</a> on the situation.</p>
<p>We all  appreciate the complexity of the situation but there is nary a word of condemnation for Russia &#8211; in  striking contrast to the sub ed&#8217;s strapline</p>
<p> I also heard Almond banging on about authoritarianism and poverty in Georgia and neglecting to mention that precisely the same things are true of Russia.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, those who read Russian may want to check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://cyxymu.livejournal.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cyxymu&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://drugoi.livejournal.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;drugoi&lt;/a&gt;. Both have lots of photos of &lt;a href=&quot;http://drugoi.livejournal.com/2691106.html#cutid1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;destruction in Gori&lt;/a&gt; (warning: graphic photos).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, those who read Russian may want to check out <a href="http://cyxymu.livejournal.com/" rel="nofollow">cyxymu</a> and <a href="http://drugoi.livejournal.com/" rel="nofollow">drugoi</a>. Both have lots of photos of <a href="http://drugoi.livejournal.com/2691106.html#cutid1" rel="nofollow">destruction in Gori</a> (warning: graphic photos).</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m amazed we&#039;ve not attracted any of the hordes of Russian commenters leaving charming messages about the savage inhumanity of Georgians and the bottomless well of Russia&#039;s love and concern for the rights of all oppressed peoples. (Those who want a taste can watch Russian news broadcasts.)

In &quot;it&#039;s going to get worse before it gets better&quot; news, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.reuters.com/article/asiaCrisis/idUSL9326537&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Abkhazia is striking Georgian forces in Kodori&lt;/a&gt;.

Also worth checking out: 

-Yulia Latynina on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rferl.org/content/South_Ossetia_Crisis_Could_Be_Russian_Chance_To_Defeat_Siloviki/1189525.html&quot;&gt;the South Ossetian business venture&lt;/a&gt; that Russia is so valiantly defending (via the comments over at Steve LeVine&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://oilandglory.com/2008/08/georgia-and-russia-itching-for-fight.html&quot;&gt;O&amp;G&lt;/a&gt;.

-&lt;a href=&quot;http://kosmyryk.typepad.com/wu_wei/&quot;&gt;Wu Wei&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://fistfulofeuros.net/&quot;&gt;Doug Merrill of &lt;i&gt;afoe&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; are in Tbilisi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amazed we&#8217;ve not attracted any of the hordes of Russian commenters leaving charming messages about the savage inhumanity of Georgians and the bottomless well of Russia&#8217;s love and concern for the rights of all oppressed peoples. (Those who want a taste can watch Russian news broadcasts.)</p>
<p>In &#8220;it&#8217;s going to get worse before it gets better&#8221; news, <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/asiaCrisis/idUSL9326537" rel="nofollow">Abkhazia is striking Georgian forces in Kodori</a>.</p>
<p>Also worth checking out: </p>
<p>-Yulia Latynina on <a href="http://www.rferl.org/content/South_Ossetia_Crisis_Could_Be_Russian_Chance_To_Defeat_Siloviki/1189525.html">the South Ossetian business venture</a> that Russia is so valiantly defending (via the comments over at Steve LeVine&#8217;s <a href="http://oilandglory.com/2008/08/georgia-and-russia-itching-for-fight.html">O&#038;G</a>.</p>
<p>-<a href="http://kosmyryk.typepad.com/wu_wei/">Wu Wei</a> and <a href="http://fistfulofeuros.net/">Doug Merrill of <i>afoe</i></a> are in Tbilisi.</p>
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		<title>By: Oldschool Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oldschool Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 07:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kong Qiu,

And what you&#039;ve heard from his ex-class mates gives russians moral rights to occupy Georgia? Saakashvilly did not attack Russia.

By the way, I do not think russians can occupy Georgia. 

Russia is a big bully, and bullies can&#039;t fight when there is resistance. Bullies prefer to threaten, not fight.

If the war is long enough, russians will lose moral war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kong Qiu,</p>
<p>And what you&#8217;ve heard from his ex-class mates gives russians moral rights to occupy Georgia? Saakashvilly did not attack Russia.</p>
<p>By the way, I do not think russians can occupy Georgia. </p>
<p>Russia is a big bully, and bullies can&#8217;t fight when there is resistance. Bullies prefer to threaten, not fight.</p>
<p>If the war is long enough, russians will lose moral war.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Qiu, to borrow your phrase, this is for obvious reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Qiu, to borrow your phrase, this is for obvious reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: Kong Qiu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kong Qiu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 01:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old School Boy, The &quot;obvious reasons&quot; are exactly what Foust mentioned. 
p.s. Saakashvilli studied law at Columbia University in the mid nineties, and from what i hear from some of his ex-class mates - he really, really hates Russians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old School Boy, The &#8220;obvious reasons&#8221; are exactly what Foust mentioned.<br />
p.s. Saakashvilli studied law at Columbia University in the mid nineties, and from what i hear from some of his ex-class mates &#8211; he really, really hates Russians.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh SN</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh SN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, not if everyone was for them! I write about this stuff a lot at my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.LanguageAndConflict.info&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;language &amp; conflict&lt;/a&gt; website, including how the most natural limits of a government are language communities. I&#039;m too proud to say that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.LanguageAndConflict.info/lang/en/responses.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some people are even agreeing&lt;/a&gt;.

Seriously, it is one thing to be for something, it is another to act on that belief. Beneath the obvious levels of arming or funding such groups, I don&#039;t even get involved with such movements by, say, joining a group or, even, linking to a website.

I also believe in international action, but obviously not like Iraq. If India, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, Australia, France and Germany had been on board from the get-go, I think it would have gone very differently.  Heck, that list basically included Russia in 2003.

If you think that resembles McCain&#039;s &quot;League of Democracies&quot; or similar calls from the far left, I&#039;d say you were mistaken.

It&#039;s just a (not yet existing) caucus in the United Nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, not if everyone was for them! I write about this stuff a lot at my <a href="http://www.LanguageAndConflict.info" rel="nofollow">language &amp; conflict</a> website, including how the most natural limits of a government are language communities. I&#8217;m too proud to say that <a href="http://www.LanguageAndConflict.info/lang/en/responses.html" rel="nofollow">some people are even agreeing</a>.</p>
<p>Seriously, it is one thing to be for something, it is another to act on that belief. Beneath the obvious levels of arming or funding such groups, I don&#8217;t even get involved with such movements by, say, joining a group or, even, linking to a website.</p>
<p>I also believe in international action, but obviously not like Iraq. If India, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, Australia, France and Germany had been on board from the get-go, I think it would have gone very differently.  Heck, that list basically included Russia in 2003.</p>
<p>If you think that resembles McCain&#8217;s &#8220;League of Democracies&#8221; or similar calls from the far left, I&#8217;d say you were mistaken.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just a (not yet existing) caucus in the United Nations.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh SN, seriously, please don&#039;t be for any of those things. They will each result in horrifying warfare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh SN, seriously, please don&#8217;t be for any of those things. They will each result in horrifying warfare.</p>
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