Comments on: Georgia, from the American Side http://registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/ All Central Asia, All The Time Fri, 25 May 2012 20:24:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Dom11 http://registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/comment-page-1/#comment-378188 Dom11 Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:26:46 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/#comment-378188 Haven't read something this dumb in weeks. Let me get this straight... they lost because...er... Putin took charge... ?! I get it now. It's one of those quantum political theory variations. Haven’t read something this dumb in weeks.
Let me get this straight… they lost because…er… Putin took charge… ?!
I get it now. It’s one of those quantum political theory variations.

]]> By: AlexM http://registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/comment-page-1/#comment-377921 AlexM Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:12:54 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/#comment-377921 Your blog is interesting! Keep up the good work! Your blog is interesting!

Keep up the good work!

]]> By: Kat http://registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/comment-page-1/#comment-377855 Kat Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:42:17 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/#comment-377855 I wondered where Jack got off to. He is like a one man disinformation squad, heh? I wondered where Jack got off to. He is like a one man disinformation squad, heh?

]]> By: jtb-in-texas http://registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/comment-page-1/#comment-377847 jtb-in-texas Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:31:40 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/#comment-377847 Wow. Jack Chambers is such an American Patriot. He assures us that allowing Putin to overthrow Russia's neighbors is a good thing. After all, his girlfriend's brother is down there with 5 times as many soldiers as the entire armed forces of Georgia (and nearly 10 times as many tanks) saving rebels and counterfeiters of US currency in South Ossetia (i.e., Georgia) from the Georgian government. May the Lord save us from such "patriots". And may the Lord give peace to the people of the region. Meanwhile, as Jack threatens us about not being able to get a visa to visit Mother Russia, some of us Texas Rednecks (I did get a little sun-burned last weekend) wish him all the best in his new home. And remember that Lee Harvey Oswald had a Russian girlfriend, too... Maybe it's something in the water? Wow. Jack Chambers is such an American Patriot. He assures us that allowing Putin to overthrow Russia’s neighbors is a good thing. After all, his girlfriend’s brother is down there with 5 times as many soldiers as the entire armed forces of Georgia (and nearly 10 times as many tanks) saving rebels and counterfeiters of US currency in South Ossetia (i.e., Georgia) from the Georgian government.

May the Lord save us from such “patriots”. And may the Lord give peace to the people of the region.

Meanwhile, as Jack threatens us about not being able to get a visa to visit Mother Russia, some of us Texas Rednecks (I did get a little sun-burned last weekend) wish him all the best in his new home. And remember that Lee Harvey Oswald had a Russian girlfriend, too…

Maybe it’s something in the water?

]]> By: fnord http://registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/comment-page-1/#comment-377841 fnord Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:31:45 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/#comment-377841 cthulu: Got any details on russian airborne logistics capacity? My guess, however, is that the Russians will stop outside Tblisi and not risk another Grozny, then do piecemeal shelling until Saakashvili resigns. The question is if they want to arrest him and try him for War Crimes as well, then it is a clear signal from Putin that the rest of the world can go to hell when it comes to the Caucasus. Putin was comparing him to Saddam Hussein who got hanged for killing "a few sjia villages" yesterday, so mr. Saakashvili is propably pretty nervous right now. This operation will be wrapped up in september, with Ossetia and Abkhazia established freezones under russian/mafya protection. And speaking of logistics, i guess the US can now say goodby to the northern route of supplying Afghanistan? That will have a serious impact if Pakistan goes unfriendly with the pushing out of Musharraf... cthulu: Got any details on russian airborne logistics capacity? My guess, however, is that the Russians will stop outside Tblisi and not risk another Grozny, then do piecemeal shelling until Saakashvili resigns. The question is if they want to arrest him and try him for War Crimes as well, then it is a clear signal from Putin that the rest of the world can go to hell when it comes to the Caucasus. Putin was comparing him to Saddam Hussein who got hanged for killing “a few sjia villages” yesterday, so mr. Saakashvili is propably pretty nervous right now. This operation will be wrapped up in september, with Ossetia and Abkhazia established freezones under russian/mafya protection.

And speaking of logistics, i guess the US can now say goodby to the northern route of supplying Afghanistan? That will have a serious impact if Pakistan goes unfriendly with the pushing out of Musharraf…

]]> By: cthulhu http://registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/comment-page-1/#comment-377840 cthulhu Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:47:12 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/#comment-377840 This is a replay of the oh-so-successful Palestinian tactic of launching "annoyance attacks" (merely annoying unless you happen to be relatives of the unhappy casualties) from "civilian" areas with the tacit approval of the local population, then screaming "war crimes" when an army comes by to stop the launches. The fact that this came about right after the railroad was repaired in Abkhazia, and the fact that so many freakin' Russians could show up so fast is conclusive evidence that events to date are following a Russian script. Some day we may learn what caused Georgia to take the bait at just the time it did -- probably indications that other times would be worse. The Russians' major weakness is its logistics -- so far as I understand it, there are but four routes from Russia to Georgia. The port, the road/train through Abkhazia, the road/tunnel between the Ossetias, and a high road through a seasonal pass between the Ossetias. Once winter comes, these will become increasingly vulnerable, and the Russian war machine had better be back on their own side of the mountains or extremely well settled-in by then. I suspect that the Georgians and the rest of the world will talk a lot before then, but that things will really start to happen once the snow begins to fall. This is a replay of the oh-so-successful Palestinian tactic of launching “annoyance attacks” (merely annoying unless you happen to be relatives of the unhappy casualties) from “civilian” areas with the tacit approval of the local population, then screaming “war crimes” when an army comes by to stop the launches.

The fact that this came about right after the railroad was repaired in Abkhazia, and the fact that so many freakin’ Russians could show up so fast is conclusive evidence that events to date are following a Russian script. Some day we may learn what caused Georgia to take the bait at just the time it did — probably indications that other times would be worse.

The Russians’ major weakness is its logistics — so far as I understand it, there are but four routes from Russia to Georgia. The port, the road/train through Abkhazia, the road/tunnel between the Ossetias, and a high road through a seasonal pass between the Ossetias. Once winter comes, these will become increasingly vulnerable, and the Russian war machine had better be back on their own side of the mountains or extremely well settled-in by then.

I suspect that the Georgians and the rest of the world will talk a lot before then, but that things will really start to happen once the snow begins to fall.

]]> By: oldguy http://registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/comment-page-1/#comment-377832 oldguy Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:58:18 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/#comment-377832 Georgia did not invade Russia.... but Russia has invaded Georgia.... Do not make the mistake of thinking that the U.S. will stop at words.... a EUROPEAN country is under attack. Listen to the U.S. president... IF Russia attacks the capital and bombs the international airport..... stop and listen...... this is not Rhetoric.... this is a tripwire... do not think that the U.S. cannot act. Again... Listen to the presidents words.... this is the 21st century.... this is a democratic elected soveign country... Putin must think carefully... the next few hours may be the most important for the Russian Federation. Georgia did not invade Russia…. but Russia has invaded Georgia….

Do not make the mistake of thinking that the U.S. will stop at words…. a EUROPEAN country is under attack.

Listen to the U.S. president… IF Russia attacks the capital and bombs the international airport….. stop and listen……
this is not Rhetoric…. this is a tripwire… do not think that the U.S. cannot act.

Again… Listen to the presidents words…. this is the 21st century…. this is a democratic elected soveign country…

Putin must think carefully… the next few hours may be the most important for the Russian Federation.

]]> By: Josh SN http://registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/comment-page-1/#comment-377829 Josh SN Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:52:18 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/#comment-377829 fnord, Right on. Russian "nationalistic" feeling doesn't even <i>have</i> to come into it. I'm watching Russia Today and, if someone were to believe most of what <i>they</i> are saying, America is backing a genocidal maniac who kills Russians, and the world is doing nothing about it! It looks like clearcut injustice, regardless who is the victim. fnord,

Right on. Russian “nationalistic” feeling doesn’t even have to come into it. I’m watching Russia Today and, if someone were to believe most of what they are saying, America is backing a genocidal maniac who kills Russians, and the world is doing nothing about it! It looks like clearcut injustice, regardless who is the victim.

]]> By: fnord http://registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/comment-page-1/#comment-377828 fnord Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:41:41 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/#comment-377828 "Do you think that the Russian economy can withstand the pressure of massive withdrawls of european and united states support? Do you really think that the Russian military can sustain operations in a country that will recieve NATO air support?" Ummmm. Dont hold your breath waiting, oldguy. The whole rhetoric about first Tblisi, then Berlin is overlooking the fact that Georgia attacked first, you know? Europe is going to do *nothing* militarily, and so is USA. Excpect some halfhearted rebuilding packages, complete with non-negotiable sidecontracts etc. packed in. Money doesnt care about politics, and Russia has money. Its the beauty of capitalism, innit? “Do you think that the Russian economy can withstand the pressure of massive withdrawls of european and united states support?
Do you really think that the Russian military can sustain operations in a country that will recieve NATO air support?”

Ummmm. Dont hold your breath waiting, oldguy. The whole rhetoric about first Tblisi, then Berlin is overlooking the fact that Georgia attacked first, you know? Europe is going to do *nothing* militarily, and so is USA. Excpect some halfhearted rebuilding packages, complete with non-negotiable sidecontracts etc. packed in. Money doesnt care about politics, and Russia has money. Its the beauty of capitalism, innit?

]]> By: oldguy http://registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/comment-page-1/#comment-377827 oldguy Mon, 11 Aug 2008 20:17:38 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2008/08/10/georgia-from-the-american-side/#comment-377827 This war is not over. Do you think that the U.S. and Nato will allow the Russian bear to destroy a democratic elected EUROPEAN country? Do you think that the Russian economy can withstand the pressure of massive withdrawls of european and united states support? Do you really think that the Russian military can sustain operations in a country that will recieve NATO air support? This is the 21st century... not 1945.... the world will not allow the russian bear to bring back the soviet sphere of influence... this is not a internal russian matter... this is a european country under attack. Europe and the United States have no choice in the matter. If Georgia is a allowed to be destroyed..... where will the line be drawn? Poland? East Germany? Ukraine? This war is not over. Do you think that the U.S. and Nato will allow the Russian bear to destroy a democratic elected EUROPEAN country?

Do you think that the Russian economy can withstand the pressure of massive withdrawls of european and united states support?

Do you really think that the Russian military can sustain operations in a country that will recieve NATO air support?

This is the 21st century… not 1945…. the world will not allow the russian bear to bring back the soviet sphere of influence… this is not a internal russian matter… this is a european country under attack.

Europe and the United States have no choice in the matter. If Georgia is a allowed to be destroyed….. where will the line be drawn? Poland? East Germany? Ukraine?

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