Comments on: How Far The Fall http://registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/ Central Asia News -- All Central Asia, All The Time Sun, 12 Feb 2012 23:53:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joseph http://registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-380859 Joseph Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:12:16 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/#comment-380859 Hong Liu, Amongst those Han Chinese that live in East Turkestan, can you elaborate on how many of those migrated into the territory after China occupied East Turkestan. Just like the Tibetans, the Uyghurs are also seeing a steady migration of ethnic Han Chinese being sent by Communists in Beijing to secure the land for China. The only Han Chinese that used to live in East Turkestan earlier were the few Hui and they were also Muslims. China is the last imperialist power, and it is time China put an end to its colonialism. Hong Liu,

Amongst those Han Chinese that live in East Turkestan, can you elaborate on how many of those migrated into the territory after China occupied East Turkestan.

Just like the Tibetans, the Uyghurs are also seeing a steady migration of ethnic Han Chinese being sent by Communists in Beijing to secure the land for China. The only Han Chinese that used to live in East Turkestan earlier were the few Hui and they were also Muslims.

China is the last imperialist power, and it is time China put an end to its colonialism.

]]> By: Michael Hancock http://registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-380836 Michael Hancock Sun, 12 Jul 2009 08:17:58 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/#comment-380836 Nice of him to speak up for the "Hazaks" of Xinjiang. Those guys deserve a country someday. I think Kazakhstan is working on it. :P That being said, the increasing Balkanization of the world is not the answer. Registan is not fomenting a revolution, we are not asking for an Independent East Turkestan, no more than we are asking for an Independent Tatarstan. The fact remains, however, that inequalities remain and many Uighurs complain about being 2nd or 3rd class citizens. I doubt they are making everything up. I also doubt that the Han living in Xinjiang are having a field day - having been mobilized there [whether voluntarily or involuntarialy] to 'develop' the region, I imagine it is at least as bad as the Russian settlement of Central Asia: unwelcome, unassimilated, and in the end, unsuccessful. Not that I would wish either success, nor do I think they even know what "success" would look like, either than as complete absorption. We are not the ones with a party line - and our "lies to the world" are not nearly as absolutist or one-sided as your truths. So sayeth Michael. Nice of him to speak up for the “Hazaks” of Xinjiang. Those guys deserve a country someday. I think Kazakhstan is working on it. :P

That being said, the increasing Balkanization of the world is not the answer. Registan is not fomenting a revolution, we are not asking for an Independent East Turkestan, no more than we are asking for an Independent Tatarstan. The fact remains, however, that inequalities remain and many Uighurs complain about being 2nd or 3rd class citizens. I doubt they are making everything up. I also doubt that the Han living in Xinjiang are having a field day – having been mobilized there [whether voluntarily or involuntarialy] to ‘develop’ the region, I imagine it is at least as bad as the Russian settlement of Central Asia: unwelcome, unassimilated, and in the end, unsuccessful. Not that I would wish either success, nor do I think they even know what “success” would look like, either than as complete absorption.

We are not the ones with a party line – and our “lies to the world” are not nearly as absolutist or one-sided as your truths. So sayeth Michael.

]]> By: Nathan http://registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-380834 Nathan Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:05:26 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/#comment-380834 Just as it is ahistorical bullshit that East Turkestan has been, since time immemorial, the homeland of the Uighurs, it is ahistorical bullshit to assert that it is a Han homeland, comrade netizen. Just as it is ahistorical bullshit that East Turkestan has been, since time immemorial, the homeland of the Uighurs, it is ahistorical bullshit to assert that it is a Han homeland, comrade netizen.

]]> By: Hong.liu http://registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-380833 Hong.liu Sun, 12 Jul 2009 04:32:31 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/#comment-380833 What you said is not true. So called east turkestan is not only homeland for Uyghur,but also homeland for Han Chinese, Hazak and other ethic groups.There are 9 millions of Uyghur who live in Xinjiang,but also there are 8 millions of Han Chinese who live in Xinjiang.We don't understand Chinese name of so called east turkestan as new frontier,we understand it as new return of previous territory.You are telling lies to the world.we know that some Uyghur people want to get independence from China,but majority of Xinjiang residents disagree with idea of independence. What you said is not true. So called east turkestan is not only homeland for Uyghur,but also homeland for Han Chinese, Hazak and other ethic groups.There are 9 millions of Uyghur who live in Xinjiang,but also there are 8 millions of Han Chinese who live in Xinjiang.We don’t understand Chinese name of so called east turkestan as new frontier,we understand it as new return of previous territory.You are telling lies to the world.we know that some Uyghur people want to get independence from China,but majority of Xinjiang residents disagree with idea of independence.

]]> By: Nathan http://registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-380829 Nathan Fri, 10 Jul 2009 22:22:41 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/#comment-380829 I don't know the precise numbers, but there was an enormous spike immediately after the Urumqi riots. I don’t know the precise numbers, but there was an enormous spike immediately after the Urumqi riots.

]]> By: Laurence Jarvik http://registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-380827 Laurence Jarvik Fri, 10 Jul 2009 21:18:18 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/#comment-380827 Nathan, Did you find how many Chinese readers Registan has? I think more coverage of this topic from different perspectives--including that of Han Chinese--would be interesting, since there are 1 billion possible readers in China, which should raise Registan's hit count... Nathan, Did you find how many Chinese readers Registan has? I think more coverage of this topic from different perspectives–including that of Han Chinese–would be interesting, since there are 1 billion possible readers in China, which should raise Registan’s hit count…

]]> By: Nathan http://registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-380819 Nathan Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:04:59 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/#comment-380819 For those interested, I decided to run the IP addresses of all the commenters with innocuous, American-sounding names who are regurgitating in English many of the comments <a href="http://globalvoicesonline.org/2009/07/10/china-call-for-tough-response-and-resent-of-biased-media/" rel="nofollow">found on Chinese sites</a>. They're all in the US. Good to know the Chinese volunteer propaganda teams have forward-deployed elements. For those interested, I decided to run the IP addresses of all the commenters with innocuous, American-sounding names who are regurgitating in English many of the comments found on Chinese sites. They’re all in the US. Good to know the Chinese volunteer propaganda teams have forward-deployed elements.

]]> By: The Œcumenical Volgi http://registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-380813 The Œcumenical Volgi Fri, 10 Jul 2009 06:22:26 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/#comment-380813 The Coulter thing was a column, which are edited, not a blog post, which aren't, to all appearances. And I'm guessing that the editorial staff's all being on a their fund-raising cruise at the moment may have something to do with their lack of comment. But only they know for sure. The Coulter thing was a column, which are edited, not a blog post, which aren’t, to all appearances.

And I’m guessing that the editorial staff’s all being on a their fund-raising cruise at the moment may have something to do with their lack of comment.

But only they know for sure.

]]> By: Oldschool Boy http://registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-380809 Oldschool Boy Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:49:04 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/#comment-380809 D. Henry, I do not think the discussion was about Uighurs D. Henry,
I do not think the discussion was about Uighurs

]]> By: D. Henry http://registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/comment-page-1/#comment-380805 D. Henry Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:31:50 +0000 http://www.registan.net/index.php/2009/07/09/how-far-the-fall/#comment-380805 It looks like the Uyghurs like to use racism and discrimination as a cover to hide their laziness and unproductivity. Sounds familiar? In regards to the violent crime they committed, they should all be harshly punished. No one is above the law, including the minority Uighurs. It looks like the Uyghurs like to use racism and discrimination as a cover to hide their laziness and unproductivity. Sounds familiar? In regards to the violent crime they committed, they should all be harshly punished. No one is above the law, including the minority Uighurs.

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