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		<title>By: Prithvi</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2009/10/27/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-383275</link>
		<dc:creator>Prithvi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah hah!  But according to US sources, Ahmed Wali Karzai&#039;s links to the drug trade are not conclusive.

Carry on, James Jesus Angleton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah hah!  But according to US sources, Ahmed Wali Karzai&#8217;s links to the drug trade are not conclusive.</p>
<p>Carry on, James Jesus Angleton.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2009/10/27/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-383264</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of you may recall that the NYT&#039;s Carlotta Gall, among other serious foreign correspondents, had been put under great pressure in the past to avoid reporting on allegations of AWK&#039;s shenanigans. Most Afghans simply treat his misdeeds as fact, but it hasn&#039;t been widely discussed in the West, most likely because it would further erode the already weak public (Western) support for Karzai. 

At any rate, the link between AWK and various shady OGA forces operating out of Camp Gecko/Maholic has been the subject of much gossip. Amnesty International did a report earlier this year pointing out the problematic nature of the Gecko OGA operations, which are totally outside the OEF/NATO chain of command. As far as I know the problem persists, and is likely to get worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of you may recall that the NYT&#8217;s Carlotta Gall, among other serious foreign correspondents, had been put under great pressure in the past to avoid reporting on allegations of AWK&#8217;s shenanigans. Most Afghans simply treat his misdeeds as fact, but it hasn&#8217;t been widely discussed in the West, most likely because it would further erode the already weak public (Western) support for Karzai. </p>
<p>At any rate, the link between AWK and various shady OGA forces operating out of Camp Gecko/Maholic has been the subject of much gossip. Amnesty International did a report earlier this year pointing out the problematic nature of the Gecko OGA operations, which are totally outside the OEF/NATO chain of command. As far as I know the problem persists, and is likely to get worse.</p>
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		<title>By: fpfj</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2009/10/27/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-383260</link>
		<dc:creator>fpfj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 10:50:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joshua, what I meant was the link between the Taliban and crime (including opium-related as well as other things like kidnapping). 

It doesn&#039;t seem to be a &#039;relentless focus&#039; on opium, rather, the links between the insurgents and criminal elements are there and should be dealt with. I&#039;m defining criminal elements as more than the drug lords, though they are there also.

I see your point about the drug smugglers but is the answer ignoring them or is the answer dealing with them and AWK also?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joshua, what I meant was the link between the Taliban and crime (including opium-related as well as other things like kidnapping). </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem to be a &#8216;relentless focus&#8217; on opium, rather, the links between the insurgents and criminal elements are there and should be dealt with. I&#8217;m defining criminal elements as more than the drug lords, though they are there also.</p>
<p>I see your point about the drug smugglers but is the answer ignoring them or is the answer dealing with them and AWK also?</p>
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		<title>By: karaka</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2009/10/27/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-383248</link>
		<dc:creator>karaka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;But all of them had some sort of connection to the CIA during the fight against the Soviets, right? &lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s my recollection. 

&lt;em&gt;This has less to do with Ahmed Wali and more to do with his brother Hamid. Read it with 7 Nov-runoff-tinted glasses and you’ll see the deeper issue.&lt;/em&gt;

Though it does have epic timing, when you consider those runoff-tinted glasses. Makes me wonder if someone was sitting on the story, because as has been noted, it&#039;s not really a surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>But all of them had some sort of connection to the CIA during the fight against the Soviets, right? </em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s my recollection. </p>
<p><em>This has less to do with Ahmed Wali and more to do with his brother Hamid. Read it with 7 Nov-runoff-tinted glasses and you’ll see the deeper issue.</em></p>
<p>Though it does have epic timing, when you consider those runoff-tinted glasses. Makes me wonder if someone was sitting on the story, because as has been noted, it&#8217;s not really a surprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Foust</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2009/10/27/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-383247</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not about the links between opium and &lt;i&gt;crime&lt;/i&gt; -- there are plenty of those -- but rather the links between opium and &lt;i&gt;insurgency&lt;/i&gt;. Those aren&#039;t the same thing, and while there certainly are links between the drug lords and the insurgents of various stripes, there is not a causal relationship. I argue that focusing so relentlessly on opium instead of more fundamental problems is mistaking symptoms for causes, not that it&#039;s not a problem to begin with.

For example, to me the bigger issue is that, since we added 50 or so drug smugglers to our &quot;shoot on sight&quot; list, we&#039;ve placed ourselves in the position of murdering Ahmed Wali Karzai&#039;s business competition. If we had instead ignored the opium side of things and focused instead on the insurgency and the economic/social/political issues and underpin an opium culture, there&#039;d be far less moral incoherence in coopting AWK to suit our purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not about the links between opium and <i>crime</i> &#8212; there are plenty of those &#8212; but rather the links between opium and <i>insurgency</i>. Those aren&#8217;t the same thing, and while there certainly are links between the drug lords and the insurgents of various stripes, there is not a causal relationship. I argue that focusing so relentlessly on opium instead of more fundamental problems is mistaking symptoms for causes, not that it&#8217;s not a problem to begin with.</p>
<p>For example, to me the bigger issue is that, since we added 50 or so drug smugglers to our &#8220;shoot on sight&#8221; list, we&#8217;ve placed ourselves in the position of murdering Ahmed Wali Karzai&#8217;s business competition. If we had instead ignored the opium side of things and focused instead on the insurgency and the economic/social/political issues and underpin an opium culture, there&#8217;d be far less moral incoherence in coopting AWK to suit our purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: fpfj</title>
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		<dc:creator>fpfj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify: I suspected the links between the CIA and Karzai&#039;s brother. But all of them had some sort of connection to the CIA during the fight against the Soviets, right? Most Afghan Mujahideen have been quite open about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify: I suspected the links between the CIA and Karzai&#8217;s brother. But all of them had some sort of connection to the CIA during the fight against the Soviets, right? Most Afghan Mujahideen have been quite open about it.</p>
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		<title>By: fpfj</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2009/10/27/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-383241</link>
		<dc:creator>fpfj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 15:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, already suspected this. 

You guys at Registan really don&#039;t believe in the links between opium/crime &amp; the Taliban but I don&#039;t really know why? I have read through some of your arguments - and haven&#039;t been convinced. Is there something that you&#039;re not sharing, that you know? I&#039;m not trying to be an inflammatory - just curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, already suspected this. </p>
<p>You guys at Registan really don&#8217;t believe in the links between opium/crime &amp; the Taliban but I don&#8217;t really know why? I have read through some of your arguments &#8211; and haven&#8217;t been convinced. Is there something that you&#8217;re not sharing, that you know? I&#8217;m not trying to be an inflammatory &#8211; just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: yup</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2009/10/27/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-383239</link>
		<dc:creator>yup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 13:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>agreed, 1110.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>agreed, 1110.</p>
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		<title>By: 1110</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2009/10/27/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-383238</link>
		<dc:creator>1110</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 12:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has less to do with Ahmed Wali and more to do with his brother Hamid. Read it with 7 Nov-runoff-tinted glasses and you&#039;ll see the deeper issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has less to do with Ahmed Wali and more to do with his brother Hamid. Read it with 7 Nov-runoff-tinted glasses and you&#8217;ll see the deeper issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Allahi</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2009/10/27/surprise/comment-page-1/#comment-383237</link>
		<dc:creator>Allahi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should also add that I agree with Alex and TK above -- the fact that this &lt;em&gt;doesn&#039;t&lt;/em&gt; really seem all that surprising or newsworthy pretty much says it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should also add that I agree with Alex and TK above &#8212; the fact that this <em>doesn&#8217;t</em> really seem all that surprising or newsworthy pretty much says it all.</p>
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