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		<title>By: anan</title>
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		<dc:creator>anan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Turgai Sangar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Turgai Sangar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 15:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In the 02.09.09 public opinion poll,&quot; Which one do you quote: that by The Asia Foundation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In the 02.09.09 public opinion poll,&#8221; Which one do you quote: that by The Asia Foundation?</p>
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		<title>By: anan</title>
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		<dc:creator>anan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 14:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Pashtuns are likely to view Uzbeks and Punjabis as somewhat less foreign than westerners, therefore using them to help get rid of us before pondering whether they want those foreign fighters to stay.&quot; I guess this depends on where in the Pashtun belt you are. There is strong anti Pakistan sentiment among most Afghan Pashtun. {In the 02.09.09 public opinion poll, 91% of all Afghans had an unfavorable view of Pakistan, 91% had an unfavorable view of Taliban, 92% had an unfavorable view of Osama Bin Laden} An ANA advisor from Kandahar recently said that the ANA and ANP do not admit that they are fighting Afghans, but insist that the people they are fighting are ISI backed trouble makers.

Anti Pakistan sentiment works powerfully against non Pashtun Taliban. It even works against many Pakistani Pathan Pashtuns.

Sailani 11/5/2009 at 5:59 am, I agree with that. But I worry about overt anti Pakistani sentiment among ANSF and Afghans. This is a major factor behind why so many Pakistanis and Pakistani based extremist groups back the Taliban. However, whatever ISAF does, the ANP and ANA play the anti Pakistan card all the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pashtuns are likely to view Uzbeks and Punjabis as somewhat less foreign than westerners, therefore using them to help get rid of us before pondering whether they want those foreign fighters to stay.&#8221; I guess this depends on where in the Pashtun belt you are. There is strong anti Pakistan sentiment among most Afghan Pashtun. {In the 02.09.09 public opinion poll, 91% of all Afghans had an unfavorable view of Pakistan, 91% had an unfavorable view of Taliban, 92% had an unfavorable view of Osama Bin Laden} An ANA advisor from Kandahar recently said that the ANA and ANP do not admit that they are fighting Afghans, but insist that the people they are fighting are ISI backed trouble makers.</p>
<p>Anti Pakistan sentiment works powerfully against non Pashtun Taliban. It even works against many Pakistani Pathan Pashtuns.</p>
<p>Sailani 11/5/2009 at 5:59 am, I agree with that. But I worry about overt anti Pakistani sentiment among ANSF and Afghans. This is a major factor behind why so many Pakistanis and Pakistani based extremist groups back the Taliban. However, whatever ISAF does, the ANP and ANA play the anti Pakistan card all the way.</p>
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		<title>By: Sailani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sailani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re quite welcoming next to the Nuristanis I hear though!  I think this is not a binary proposition - i.e. either us or the foreign jihadis.  This is a war of security and governance primarily, but impressions do matter and I do see signs that a widespread use of foreign fighters can drive a wedge between the insurgents and the locals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re quite welcoming next to the Nuristanis I hear though!  I think this is not a binary proposition &#8211; i.e. either us or the foreign jihadis.  This is a war of security and governance primarily, but impressions do matter and I do see signs that a widespread use of foreign fighters can drive a wedge between the insurgents and the locals.</p>
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		<title>By: Dafydd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dafydd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 10:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is beyond doubt that Pashtun culture is deeply suspicious of foreigners. That includes us, Arab mercenaries and probably Punjabi and Uzbek fighters too.

The problem we have is while I think it would be possible to sow the seeds of misturst between Pashtuns and foreign fighters, I don&#039;t think it can happen while the West has boots on the ground in Afghanistan.

Pashtuns are likely to view Uzbeks and Punjabis as somewhat less foreign than westerners, therefore using them to help get rid of us before pondering whether they want those foreign fighters to stay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is beyond doubt that Pashtun culture is deeply suspicious of foreigners. That includes us, Arab mercenaries and probably Punjabi and Uzbek fighters too.</p>
<p>The problem we have is while I think it would be possible to sow the seeds of misturst between Pashtuns and foreign fighters, I don&#8217;t think it can happen while the West has boots on the ground in Afghanistan.</p>
<p>Pashtuns are likely to view Uzbeks and Punjabis as somewhat less foreign than westerners, therefore using them to help get rid of us before pondering whether they want those foreign fighters to stay.</p>
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		<title>By: Sailani</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sailani</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 08:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Useful post Joe.  One that deserves a thesis-length answer no doubt, but in the interest of brevity I will keep it very short.  

Where I do my work, in Haqqani&#039;s backyard, there is at least one potential issue that complicates the relationship between local and foreign fighters (local being Af-Pak ones and foreign being most others).  That is the attitude of the conservative local Pasthuns.  Turns out they have little patience for the &lt;i&gt;foreigners&lt;/i&gt; (they have less flattering terms of which I am not yet a master).  This means that Haqqani is not able to use his foreign fighters in any operations which involve contact with the locals, or which take place in populated areas.  A minor concern perhaps, but one that signals some potential negative future costs of Haqqani&#039;s alliance - costs that might be exploited be clever adversaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Useful post Joe.  One that deserves a thesis-length answer no doubt, but in the interest of brevity I will keep it very short.  </p>
<p>Where I do my work, in Haqqani&#8217;s backyard, there is at least one potential issue that complicates the relationship between local and foreign fighters (local being Af-Pak ones and foreign being most others).  That is the attitude of the conservative local Pasthuns.  Turns out they have little patience for the <i>foreigners</i> (they have less flattering terms of which I am not yet a master).  This means that Haqqani is not able to use his foreign fighters in any operations which involve contact with the locals, or which take place in populated areas.  A minor concern perhaps, but one that signals some potential negative future costs of Haqqani&#8217;s alliance &#8211; costs that might be exploited be clever adversaries.</p>
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		<title>By: anan</title>
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		<dc:creator>anan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Relevant to this discussion is a 5 minute clip from Omar about a Pakistani suicide bomber talking about how Pakistani children killed in terrorist attacks are not innocent and that killing them is justified.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg
Its in Urdu (with english subtitles) so some of us can understand parts of it; it is chilling. Is this person Taliban or Al Qaeda or something else?

How to stop these Takfiri extremists (I think this is a better name for them than &quot;Al Qaeda&quot; or &quot;Taliban&quot;)? I am not sure that different Takfiri extremist groups around the world are really all that different from one another. I find offensive, the widely held notion among many Europeans (and even Americans) that Takfiri extremists mass murdering fellow muslims for being &quot;unfaithful&quot; is no concern of ours, as long as they don&#039;t kill &quot;westerners.&quot; This is the kind of western ethnocentric self centered uncaring nonsense that so angers the muslim and developing world.

In my view terrorism against everyone in every country is wrong, period. And unless extreme Takfiri networks that attack every country in the world are dismantled, no country and no people (nonmuslim or muslim) is safe.

Joe Harlan, it is difficult to answer the question you pose about Taliban/AQ connections in generalities. Perhaps break down the different Taliban militias and discuss how extreme each of them are (how committed they are to regional and global ambitions)? Specifically:
-Lashkar al Zil (a coalition of pro ISI and anti ISI Taliban)
-HiG
-Haqqani
-Different components of Quetta Shura Taliban
-Tehrik-e-Taliban
-Lashkar e Janvi/Sipah e Sahaba/Jundullah (Punjabi Taliban)
-Lashkar e Taiba/Jaish e Mohammed (Punjabi Taliban)
-Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) or Islamic Jihad Union (IJU)
-Chechan groups
-Arab groups in South and Central Asia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relevant to this discussion is a 5 minute clip from Omar about a Pakistani suicide bomber talking about how Pakistani children killed in terrorist attacks are not innocent and that killing them is justified.<br />
<a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/EpicIndia.jpg</a><br />
Its in Urdu (with english subtitles) so some of us can understand parts of it; it is chilling. Is this person Taliban or Al Qaeda or something else?</p>
<p>How to stop these Takfiri extremists (I think this is a better name for them than &#8220;Al Qaeda&#8221; or &#8220;Taliban&#8221;)? I am not sure that different Takfiri extremist groups around the world are really all that different from one another. I find offensive, the widely held notion among many Europeans (and even Americans) that Takfiri extremists mass murdering fellow muslims for being &#8220;unfaithful&#8221; is no concern of ours, as long as they don&#8217;t kill &#8220;westerners.&#8221; This is the kind of western ethnocentric self centered uncaring nonsense that so angers the muslim and developing world.</p>
<p>In my view terrorism against everyone in every country is wrong, period. And unless extreme Takfiri networks that attack every country in the world are dismantled, no country and no people (nonmuslim or muslim) is safe.</p>
<p>Joe Harlan, it is difficult to answer the question you pose about Taliban/AQ connections in generalities. Perhaps break down the different Taliban militias and discuss how extreme each of them are (how committed they are to regional and global ambitions)? Specifically:<br />
-Lashkar al Zil (a coalition of pro ISI and anti ISI Taliban)<br />
-HiG<br />
-Haqqani<br />
-Different components of Quetta Shura Taliban<br />
-Tehrik-e-Taliban<br />
-Lashkar e Janvi/Sipah e Sahaba/Jundullah (Punjabi Taliban)<br />
-Lashkar e Taiba/Jaish e Mohammed (Punjabi Taliban)<br />
-Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan (IMU) or Islamic Jihad Union (IJU)<br />
-Chechan groups<br />
-Arab groups in South and Central Asia</p>
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