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		<title>By: oldschool boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldschool boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>USSR had about 5million personnel army at any time,most of them serving for 2-3 years. Let us say from about half to two thirds used AKs, which were usually disposed off. During my service I had 4 or 5 personnal AKs, one after another, all brand new. Let&#039;s assume most soldiers used one AK for the whole duration of their service. It gives us roughly 2.5-3 million rifles every 2 years being used, and, I believe, about 10 million rifles were stored for reserves. So only in 20 years period it estimates to at least 30-40 million rifles used and/or in stocks. And it is only in USSR</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USSR had about 5million personnel army at any time,most of them serving for 2-3 years. Let us say from about half to two thirds used AKs, which were usually disposed off. During my service I had 4 or 5 personnal AKs, one after another, all brand new. Let&#8217;s assume most soldiers used one AK for the whole duration of their service. It gives us roughly 2.5-3 million rifles every 2 years being used, and, I believe, about 10 million rifles were stored for reserves. So only in 20 years period it estimates to at least 30-40 million rifles used and/or in stocks. And it is only in USSR</p>
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		<title>By: Ahad_Abdurahmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahad_Abdurahmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;day for five days a week&quot; - did he also give days offs for Thanksgiving and Christmas, just curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;day for five days a week&#8221; &#8211; did he also give days offs for Thanksgiving and Christmas, just curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Harlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Harlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 04:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the sources, Pol-Mil FSO.  The second is quite dated, although I think I have a copy lying around back in the States so I&#039;ll take a look in a few months. :)

However, I could easily imagine more than ten factories making Kalashnikovs, especially from China (the primary export model in the world market is the &quot;Type 56&quot;, still being made today, 50 years after the first run).  I could also imagine that with modern production techniques and machinery more than 250 weapons being produced per factory per day.  And, as you said, the Chinese numbers are completely unavailable to us.   

Incidentally, can you email me if you&#039;re an FSO in Kabul?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the sources, Pol-Mil FSO.  The second is quite dated, although I think I have a copy lying around back in the States so I&#8217;ll take a look in a few months. <img src='http://registan.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>However, I could easily imagine more than ten factories making Kalashnikovs, especially from China (the primary export model in the world market is the &#8220;Type 56&#8243;, still being made today, 50 years after the first run).  I could also imagine that with modern production techniques and machinery more than 250 weapons being produced per factory per day.  And, as you said, the Chinese numbers are completely unavailable to us.   </p>
<p>Incidentally, can you email me if you&#8217;re an FSO in Kabul?</p>
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		<title>By: Pol-Mil FSO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pol-Mil FSO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe:

&quot;The Gun Digest Book of the AK &amp; SKS&quot; by Patrick Sweeney (published 2008) takes a look of the 100 million figure on pages 47-48 and argues that the math does not compute.  Sweeney notes that if there were ten factories making 250 AKs each day for five days a week it would take 160 years to make 100 million rifles.  He also looks at the U.S. production of M1 carbines during World War - 6.5 million - and calculates that even at this wartime production rate it would take 60 years to produce 100 million AK rifles.  Sweeney goes on to state that the volume production of the AK occurred from 1947 to 1989, a total of 42 years.  Sweeney does not include AK-74 rifles in his calculations but the AK-74 had a much shorter production run.

The 12th Edition of &quot;Small Arms of the World&quot; by Edward Clinton Edzell (published in 1983) gives an estimated production figure for the AK-47/AKM of 30-50 million.  My figure of 30 million is one that I have to confess that I pulled out of my rear end.  I estimated a production of 10 million for Russian military use, 10 million for Chinese military use, 5 million made by other producers (primarily Eastern Europe and North Korea), and 5 million specifically manufactured for the export market.  The Chinese factor is what makes these figures no more than a wild-ass guess.  I have not seen any figures for total AK production by China and I suspect that they do not exist outside of Chinese military channels.  Nor have I seen any figure for Chinese production of SKS rifles, a near contemporary of the AK and an important second-line/militia weapon in Communist countries, including China.  The only reference that I have seen about Chinese SKS rifles is mention of significant design difference that is found in SKS rifles with a serial number below 9 million compared to SKS rifles with a serial number above 9 million.  (I&#039;m not sure where the numbering started but it does imply a large production run of SKS rifles by China.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Gun Digest Book of the AK &amp; SKS&#8221; by Patrick Sweeney (published 2008) takes a look of the 100 million figure on pages 47-48 and argues that the math does not compute.  Sweeney notes that if there were ten factories making 250 AKs each day for five days a week it would take 160 years to make 100 million rifles.  He also looks at the U.S. production of M1 carbines during World War &#8211; 6.5 million &#8211; and calculates that even at this wartime production rate it would take 60 years to produce 100 million AK rifles.  Sweeney goes on to state that the volume production of the AK occurred from 1947 to 1989, a total of 42 years.  Sweeney does not include AK-74 rifles in his calculations but the AK-74 had a much shorter production run.</p>
<p>The 12th Edition of &#8220;Small Arms of the World&#8221; by Edward Clinton Edzell (published in 1983) gives an estimated production figure for the AK-47/AKM of 30-50 million.  My figure of 30 million is one that I have to confess that I pulled out of my rear end.  I estimated a production of 10 million for Russian military use, 10 million for Chinese military use, 5 million made by other producers (primarily Eastern Europe and North Korea), and 5 million specifically manufactured for the export market.  The Chinese factor is what makes these figures no more than a wild-ass guess.  I have not seen any figures for total AK production by China and I suspect that they do not exist outside of Chinese military channels.  Nor have I seen any figure for Chinese production of SKS rifles, a near contemporary of the AK and an important second-line/militia weapon in Communist countries, including China.  The only reference that I have seen about Chinese SKS rifles is mention of significant design difference that is found in SKS rifles with a serial number below 9 million compared to SKS rifles with a serial number above 9 million.  (I&#8217;m not sure where the numbering started but it does imply a large production run of SKS rifles by China.)</p>
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		<title>By: Tosk59</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tosk59</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 02:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;original&#039;, real&quot; manufacturer of the AK-47 is going bankrupt, done in by cheaper knock offs.... See:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,652043,00.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;original&#8217;, real&#8221; manufacturer of the AK-47 is going bankrupt, done in by cheaper knock offs&#8230;. See:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,652043,00.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,652043,00.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: oldschool boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldschool boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 22:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what people refer to when they say AK-47. I have never seen one (may be in a school museum), and as I understand it is very first version of the famous automatic rifle. There have been several modification of AK since then, the ones I have trained with and used are AKM, and AK-74 and their modifications. Yes, AK-47 has a medieval 7.62 caliber, so does AKM, but AK-74 that has been used by  the Soviet and post-soviet forces since 1974 has more modern 5.45 caliber, close to the NATO standard one. Since the Soviet-Afghan war started in 1979, the weapons captured by modjaheddins from the Soviet Army (or bought) could only be AKM (which was still used by some paratroopers) or AK-74. The weapon in mass production in Asian and African countries could be AK-47, its license was sold to China and then from China spread  to other countries.
Advantages of Kalashnikov weapons is not their cost. I can confirm that it is a very reliable weapon, you can shove it in mud or sand or let it stay in dump for several days, it will still work</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what people refer to when they say AK-47. I have never seen one (may be in a school museum), and as I understand it is very first version of the famous automatic rifle. There have been several modification of AK since then, the ones I have trained with and used are AKM, and AK-74 and their modifications. Yes, AK-47 has a medieval 7.62 caliber, so does AKM, but AK-74 that has been used by  the Soviet and post-soviet forces since 1974 has more modern 5.45 caliber, close to the NATO standard one. Since the Soviet-Afghan war started in 1979, the weapons captured by modjaheddins from the Soviet Army (or bought) could only be AKM (which was still used by some paratroopers) or AK-74. The weapon in mass production in Asian and African countries could be AK-47, its license was sold to China and then from China spread  to other countries.<br />
Advantages of Kalashnikov weapons is not their cost. I can confirm that it is a very reliable weapon, you can shove it in mud or sand or let it stay in dump for several days, it will still work</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Visotzky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Visotzky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a fun fact:

In the early 1990s, after the Soviets started selling off their weapons stockpile and bargain-basement rates, one could buy a Kalashnikov in Sierra Leone for about $10. That turned out well.

Hooray for the arms race!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a fun fact:</p>
<p>In the early 1990s, after the Soviets started selling off their weapons stockpile and bargain-basement rates, one could buy a Kalashnikov in Sierra Leone for about $10. That turned out well.</p>
<p>Hooray for the arms race!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Harlan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Harlan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;AK is ubiquitous because of its unsurpassed reliability&lt;/i&gt;

And because of its cheap cost compared to American and German weapons.  And because of the willingness of producing countries, especially the Chinese, to proliferate it.  And because after the fall of the Soviet Union two decades ago, there were lots of spares to go around.  And...well, not &lt;i&gt;just&lt;/i&gt; because of its reliability.  Single factors are usually not the answer.

I have official production counts for AR-15/M-16 type weapons.  Kalashnikovs and derivatives are estimated to be higher, by both the Russians themselves as well as western observers.  I don&#039;t think I can believe a thirty million unit estimate.  Do you have a source?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>AK is ubiquitous because of its unsurpassed reliability</i></p>
<p>And because of its cheap cost compared to American and German weapons.  And because of the willingness of producing countries, especially the Chinese, to proliferate it.  And because after the fall of the Soviet Union two decades ago, there were lots of spares to go around.  And&#8230;well, not <i>just</i> because of its reliability.  Single factors are usually not the answer.</p>
<p>I have official production counts for AR-15/M-16 type weapons.  Kalashnikovs and derivatives are estimated to be higher, by both the Russians themselves as well as western observers.  I don&#8217;t think I can believe a thirty million unit estimate.  Do you have a source?</p>
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		<title>By: Ahad_Abdurahmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahad_Abdurahmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pol-Mil FSO I would like to beleive your words not because you proved that your estimation is coming from somewhere else but a rear end, but because it suggests there are less arms out there to kill people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pol-Mil FSO I would like to beleive your words not because you proved that your estimation is coming from somewhere else but a rear end, but because it suggests there are less arms out there to kill people.</p>
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		<title>By: Pol-Mil FSO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pol-Mil FSO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the actual production figure for AKs and clones is closer to 30 million units.  The figure of 100 million is an example of what I like to call a &quot;biblical figure,&quot; one that someone pulled out of their rear end and is continually repeated by others because of laziness.  The death figure for the Salvadoran Civil War - 75,000 - is another example (the more realistic number is closer to 35,000).

Whatever the actual production number, the AK is ubiquitous because of its unsurpassed reliability.  It would be the perfect battle rifle if not for its atrocious ergonomics and mediocre caliber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the actual production figure for AKs and clones is closer to 30 million units.  The figure of 100 million is an example of what I like to call a &#8220;biblical figure,&#8221; one that someone pulled out of their rear end and is continually repeated by others because of laziness.  The death figure for the Salvadoran Civil War &#8211; 75,000 &#8211; is another example (the more realistic number is closer to 35,000).</p>
<p>Whatever the actual production number, the AK is ubiquitous because of its unsurpassed reliability.  It would be the perfect battle rifle if not for its atrocious ergonomics and mediocre caliber.</p>
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