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	<title>Comments on: Rahmon Reminisces About His Days in Samarkand with Karimov</title>
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		<title>By: Ahad Abdurahmon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahad Abdurahmon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Botur bacha,
If you think Emom the Tractorist is not nationalist, you must be the great contender to author a Tajik Mein Kampf!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Botur bacha,<br />
If you think Emom the Tractorist is not nationalist, you must be the great contender to author a Tajik Mein Kampf!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t Karimov a Tajik or at least half Tajik himself? Or would he classify himself as a Samarkandi?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t Karimov a Tajik or at least half Tajik himself? Or would he classify himself as a Samarkandi?</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Visotzky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Visotzky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the NSS troops and the people giving their orders have no responsibility for killing 700 of their citizens?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the NSS troops and the people giving their orders have no responsibility for killing 700 of their citizens?</p>
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		<title>By: Metin Aydin, aka 'guest'</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metin Aydin, aka 'guest'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another article about Rahmon&#039;s uneasy relations with Uzbekistan:
http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1261304280</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another article about Rahmon&#8217;s uneasy relations with Uzbekistan:<br />
<a href="http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1261304280" rel="nofollow">http://www.centrasia.ru/newsA.php?st=1261304280</a></p>
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		<title>By: Metin Aydin, aka 'guest'</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2009/12/11/rahmon-reminisces-about-his-days-in-samarkand-with-karimov/comment-page-1/#comment-383823</link>
		<dc:creator>Metin Aydin, aka 'guest'</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:08:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Botur Kosimi:

Reliability of books of Tajik ‘academic’ Rahim Masov is questionable at best, as this person is pronounced ultra nationalist. All his work is devoted to proving ‘uniqueness’ of Tajiks and their cultural ‘superiority’ over ‘barbarian invading Mongolic tribes’ who, in words of Mr. Masov, are nowadays Uzbeks. He claims that barbarians (Uzbeks) have been oppressing poor civilized noble Aryans (Tajiks) for hundreds of years taking their lands and pride, and now it is time for Tajiks to restore their &#039;noble&#039; rule over their historical lands (which were apparently given to them by God). 
Obviously, the head of all Tajiks Mr. Rakhmon is a great sympathizer of Mr.Masov, as he openly holds Uzbeks responsible for all troubles of Tajikistan. 

‘Your’ arguments about tajiks representing 50% of Uzbek population are incorrect; it fact, the number does not exceed 5%.  
It is also hard to prove claims about 80% of Tajiks being &#039;forced&#039; to sign as Uzbeks; this looks like nationalist propaganda a la academic Masov. It is not excluded, that some ethnic Tajiks were indeed registered as Uzbeks. However, this had most likely to do their personal preference not to be associated with their ethnic background. Existence of such practices does not indicate discrimination at all, as they could not be discriminated on the basis of their ID documents. In reality, indication of ethnic origin in registrar documents might become a source of discrimination. No wonder, why in US, Europe and developed nations ID documents do not put indication of ethnic origin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Botur Kosimi:</p>
<p>Reliability of books of Tajik ‘academic’ Rahim Masov is questionable at best, as this person is pronounced ultra nationalist. All his work is devoted to proving ‘uniqueness’ of Tajiks and their cultural ‘superiority’ over ‘barbarian invading Mongolic tribes’ who, in words of Mr. Masov, are nowadays Uzbeks. He claims that barbarians (Uzbeks) have been oppressing poor civilized noble Aryans (Tajiks) for hundreds of years taking their lands and pride, and now it is time for Tajiks to restore their &#8216;noble&#8217; rule over their historical lands (which were apparently given to them by God).<br />
Obviously, the head of all Tajiks Mr. Rakhmon is a great sympathizer of Mr.Masov, as he openly holds Uzbeks responsible for all troubles of Tajikistan. </p>
<p>‘Your’ arguments about tajiks representing 50% of Uzbek population are incorrect; it fact, the number does not exceed 5%.<br />
It is also hard to prove claims about 80% of Tajiks being &#8216;forced&#8217; to sign as Uzbeks; this looks like nationalist propaganda a la academic Masov. It is not excluded, that some ethnic Tajiks were indeed registered as Uzbeks. However, this had most likely to do their personal preference not to be associated with their ethnic background. Existence of such practices does not indicate discrimination at all, as they could not be discriminated on the basis of their ID documents. In reality, indication of ethnic origin in registrar documents might become a source of discrimination. No wonder, why in US, Europe and developed nations ID documents do not put indication of ethnic origin.</p>
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		<title>By: Botur Kosimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Botur Kosimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 18:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AHAD: 

First, there is a fine line between nationalists (millatgaro) and nation-lovers (millatdust) of which the former is evil and latter is good. It is clear that Karimov of Uzbakistan is clearly a nationalist while Rahmon in Tajikistan is not either one, despite all their achievements or failures. But we all know what horrible fate awaits nationalists. 

Second, this is not a best place or setting to argue about History of Axe Type Division which has been revealed to world by Rahim Masov and etc. Just to mention that 80% of Tajiks during creation of Soviet republics in Central Asia have been forcefully signed up as Uzbak and according to our estimates, over half of population in current day Uzbekistan are ethnic Tajiks is adequate to demonstrate the significance of the problem. 

However, the solution to this problem cannot be a military, but an economic one. Tajikistan will need to develop into prosperous democratic state and integrate more with its Persian speaking brother-nations as well as create stronger ties with the Western nations in order to become a viable alternative for its compatriots abroad and a model for peaceful coexistence in the region.

As history goes, we see that precisely because of rule of barbarian invading Mongolic tribes after the Samanid’s state our leading science, literature, infrastructure and prosperous Tajik-Persian civilization of 10-11 century was turned into a poorest and powerless regions of the world by 19-20 century that Russians were able to seize without much effort. 

Conclusion is that Rahmon, a selfish and undereducated country boy put into throne, cares little about his nation’s well being and contemplations about issues such as Samarkand and Bukhoro are far away from his mind’s reach, so this report by a pseudo journalist is based on lie and representation of true Russian interests into getting our countries confront more each other. 

Hopefully, we have a new leadership building up by a new patriotic and progressive thinking group of Tajiks from abroad who will eventually pressure Rahmon’s regime to give up peacefully for the sake of creating better future for our nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AHAD: </p>
<p>First, there is a fine line between nationalists (millatgaro) and nation-lovers (millatdust) of which the former is evil and latter is good. It is clear that Karimov of Uzbakistan is clearly a nationalist while Rahmon in Tajikistan is not either one, despite all their achievements or failures. But we all know what horrible fate awaits nationalists. </p>
<p>Second, this is not a best place or setting to argue about History of Axe Type Division which has been revealed to world by Rahim Masov and etc. Just to mention that 80% of Tajiks during creation of Soviet republics in Central Asia have been forcefully signed up as Uzbak and according to our estimates, over half of population in current day Uzbekistan are ethnic Tajiks is adequate to demonstrate the significance of the problem. </p>
<p>However, the solution to this problem cannot be a military, but an economic one. Tajikistan will need to develop into prosperous democratic state and integrate more with its Persian speaking brother-nations as well as create stronger ties with the Western nations in order to become a viable alternative for its compatriots abroad and a model for peaceful coexistence in the region.</p>
<p>As history goes, we see that precisely because of rule of barbarian invading Mongolic tribes after the Samanid’s state our leading science, literature, infrastructure and prosperous Tajik-Persian civilization of 10-11 century was turned into a poorest and powerless regions of the world by 19-20 century that Russians were able to seize without much effort. </p>
<p>Conclusion is that Rahmon, a selfish and undereducated country boy put into throne, cares little about his nation’s well being and contemplations about issues such as Samarkand and Bukhoro are far away from his mind’s reach, so this report by a pseudo journalist is based on lie and representation of true Russian interests into getting our countries confront more each other. </p>
<p>Hopefully, we have a new leadership building up by a new patriotic and progressive thinking group of Tajiks from abroad who will eventually pressure Rahmon’s regime to give up peacefully for the sake of creating better future for our nation.</p>
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		<title>By: botirbek</title>
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		<dc:creator>botirbek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 00:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there is indeed an economic improvement in Uzbekistan. What remains largely unreflected in all reports is that Uzbeks have amended a great deal of laws on private entrepreneurship, taxation, farming and etc. These changes have made timid, but sustainable growth possible. 
Having said this, it does not mean that Uzbekistan is now an economic gear of Central Asia. It has been noticed while all the others were not functioning properly. Also, none is speaking about the current budget deficit.
On Tajik President: I do not think he said it, somehow that Dubnov guy looks like an old Soviet alcoholic to me. But the fact that Uzbeks don&#039;t want Russians invest in Tajiks&#039; hydropower constructions is really playing on Rakhmon&#039;s nerves. Russians want to invest only if they fully control the hydropower and water flows, which arises post-colonial emotions among uzbeks. Thus, poor Tajiks are faced with a dilemma of finding an investor, who would also please their neighbors. China again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there is indeed an economic improvement in Uzbekistan. What remains largely unreflected in all reports is that Uzbeks have amended a great deal of laws on private entrepreneurship, taxation, farming and etc. These changes have made timid, but sustainable growth possible.<br />
Having said this, it does not mean that Uzbekistan is now an economic gear of Central Asia. It has been noticed while all the others were not functioning properly. Also, none is speaking about the current budget deficit.<br />
On Tajik President: I do not think he said it, somehow that Dubnov guy looks like an old Soviet alcoholic to me. But the fact that Uzbeks don&#8217;t want Russians invest in Tajiks&#8217; hydropower constructions is really playing on Rakhmon&#8217;s nerves. Russians want to invest only if they fully control the hydropower and water flows, which arises post-colonial emotions among uzbeks. Thus, poor Tajiks are faced with a dilemma of finding an investor, who would also please their neighbors. China again?</p>
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		<title>By: hymie</title>
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		<dc:creator>hymie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>googo0sha says,
thatz sounds like fun.
boiling water, under age overwork cotton pickers,sex partys.
crazy ambassadors,nutty passport control,kokakola,
sit on the floor crappers,brib n fer fun, tashkent taxi ,goofy traffic coppers, funlovinlonggleggyinlovewithxpat/military uzbek/ruski babes,
modern soviet/old soviet/if is broke dont fixit soviet technic-
old commiecratz/lenin tshirts, bad brew/good brew.
on and on and on etc etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>googo0sha says,<br />
thatz sounds like fun.<br />
boiling water, under age overwork cotton pickers,sex partys.<br />
crazy ambassadors,nutty passport control,kokakola,<br />
sit on the floor crappers,brib n fer fun, tashkent taxi ,goofy traffic coppers, funlovinlonggleggyinlovewithxpat/military uzbek/ruski babes,<br />
modern soviet/old soviet/if is broke dont fixit soviet technic-<br />
old commiecratz/lenin tshirts, bad brew/good brew.<br />
on and on and on etc etc</p>
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		<title>By: Turgai Sangar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Turgai Sangar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whether Tajik or Uzbek, ethnic nationalism &#039;reinvented&#039; by ex-Communist apparatchiks, is a dead-end by definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether Tajik or Uzbek, ethnic nationalism &#8216;reinvented&#8217; by ex-Communist apparatchiks, is a dead-end by definition.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurence Jarvik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurence Jarvik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan, Thank you for posting this very interesting discussion thread. I especially appreciate seeing views from different English-speaking Central Asians published in Registan...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan, Thank you for posting this very interesting discussion thread. I especially appreciate seeing views from different English-speaking Central Asians published in Registan&#8230;</p>
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