Comments on: New Year’s Resolution #2: Cut Down Trees in Amir Temur Square http://registan.net/index.php/2009/12/22/new-years-resolution-2-cut-down-trees-in-amir-temur-square/ Central Asia News -- All Central Asia, All The Time Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:41:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Turgai Sangar http://registan.net/index.php/2009/12/22/new-years-resolution-2-cut-down-trees-in-amir-temur-square/comment-page-1/#comment-383921 Turgai Sangar Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:23:32 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=10147#comment-383921 "are believed to be imported from Belgium..." :))))lol That is well possible actually. Wallonia (the south of Belgium that is) and Denmark are Europe's first exporters of Christmas yolki. “are believed to be imported from Belgium…”

:) )))lol That is well possible actually. Wallonia (the south of Belgium that is) and Denmark are Europe’s first exporters of Christmas yolki.

]]> By: Ahad_Abdurahmon http://registan.net/index.php/2009/12/22/new-years-resolution-2-cut-down-trees-in-amir-temur-square/comment-page-1/#comment-383920 Ahad_Abdurahmon Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:31:12 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=10147#comment-383920 ZZ, Tashkent city administration cuts (and plants) a lot of trees year-round just like they demolish (and build) all kinds of buildings and monuments. I am sorry that my observation irritated you, but ferghana.ru is only concerned with the cases related to Russia and Russians usually. I am not saying this is good or bad, but they are biased. ZZ, Tashkent city administration cuts (and plants) a lot of trees year-round just like they demolish (and build) all kinds of buildings and monuments.
I am sorry that my observation irritated you, but ferghana.ru is only concerned with the cases related to Russia and Russians usually. I am not saying this is good or bad, but they are biased.

]]> By: ZZ http://registan.net/index.php/2009/12/22/new-years-resolution-2-cut-down-trees-in-amir-temur-square/comment-page-1/#comment-383908 ZZ Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:24:57 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=10147#comment-383908 Trees are trees, and it amuses me how some people reason about poor platans' political and symbolical meaning now. Their meaning never really bothered anyone in Tashkent until the Padrino of the Uzbek state decided to get rid of them. What a nonsense that is! I've heard people refer to platans as non-Uzbek trees, hence they cut them.. Its astonishing how stupid people are. Yet, the most irritating thing about this, is that they expect everyone to be fool enough and believe any kind of crap.. PS. By the way, the pines/x-mas type trees you see at the Square now, are believed to be imported from Belgium.. (so Uzbek!). Let's see how they manage to grow into tall and nice tress under the hottest Uzbek sun... Trees are trees, and it amuses me how some people reason about poor platans’ political and symbolical meaning now. Their meaning never really bothered anyone in Tashkent until the Padrino of the Uzbek state decided to get rid of them. What a nonsense that is! I’ve heard people refer to platans as non-Uzbek trees, hence they cut them.. Its astonishing how stupid people are. Yet, the most irritating thing about this, is that they expect everyone to be fool enough and believe any kind of crap.. PS. By the way, the pines/x-mas type trees you see at the Square now, are believed to be imported from Belgium.. (so Uzbek!). Let’s see how they manage to grow into tall and nice tress under the hottest Uzbek sun…

]]> By: ZZ http://registan.net/index.php/2009/12/22/new-years-resolution-2-cut-down-trees-in-amir-temur-square/comment-page-1/#comment-383907 ZZ Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:24:17 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=10147#comment-383907 Trees are trees, and it amuses me how some people reason about poor platans' political and symbolical meaning now. Their meaning never really bothered anyone in Tashkent until the Padrino of the Uzbek state decided to get rid of them. What a nonsense that is! I've heard people refer to platans as non-Uzbek trees, hence they cut them.. Its astonishing how stupid people are. Yet, the most irritating thing about this, is that they expect everyone to be fool enough and believe any kind of crap.. PS. By the way, the pines/x-mas type trees you see at the Square now, are believed to be imported from Belgium.. (so Uzbek!). Let's see how they manage to grow into tall and nice tress under the hot Uzbek sun... Trees are trees, and it amuses me how some people reason about poor platans’ political and symbolical meaning now. Their meaning never really bothered anyone in Tashkent until the Padrino of the Uzbek state decided to get rid of them. What a nonsense that is! I’ve heard people refer to platans as non-Uzbek trees, hence they cut them.. Its astonishing how stupid people are. Yet, the most irritating thing about this, is that they expect everyone to be fool enough and believe any kind of crap.. PS. By the way, the pines/x-mas type trees you see at the Square now, are believed to be imported from Belgium.. (so Uzbek!). Let’s see how they manage to grow into tall and nice tress under the hot Uzbek sun…

]]> By: AS http://registan.net/index.php/2009/12/22/new-years-resolution-2-cut-down-trees-in-amir-temur-square/comment-page-1/#comment-383880 AS Sat, 26 Dec 2009 07:12:09 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=10147#comment-383880 A somewhat off topic but relevant link in respect to the matter of independent CA media/blogs being too critical/anti-regime (although as Noah points out that is not especially the case in this instance) http://chrono-tm.org/?id=2335 A somewhat off topic but relevant link in respect to the matter of independent CA media/blogs being too critical/anti-regime (although as Noah points out that is not especially the case in this instance)

http://chrono-tm.org/?id=2335

]]> By: Metin http://registan.net/index.php/2009/12/22/new-years-resolution-2-cut-down-trees-in-amir-temur-square/comment-page-1/#comment-383872 Metin Thu, 24 Dec 2009 18:42:40 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=10147#comment-383872 Noah, I didn't know you lived in Tashkent for long. Anyway this does not change the point - you are not in Tashkent now, and do not have the chance to see the new square. All what you've seen so far is photos on those sarcastic articles. I thought, seeing the changed square with your eyes in real might have changed your opinion. Don't get it wrong, I never meant to represent opinion of "all rational people"; the reference was on governance efficiency, my point being, that others might have had similar opinion. I really liked your blog, that's why write here. It's unquestionable, most people here care about region and people living there. It is just a bit pity, when sometimes point of reference on your articles is biased media, which is critical on anything connected with Uzbekistan. I wish more Americans came to Uzbekistan like you who care about people and country and could provide balanced view on thing happening here. Marry Christmas to you and all Registan blog! :) Noah,
I didn’t know you lived in Tashkent for long. Anyway this does not change the point – you are not in Tashkent now, and do not have the chance to see the new square. All what you’ve seen so far is photos on those sarcastic articles.
I thought, seeing the changed square with your eyes in real might have changed your opinion.

Don’t get it wrong, I never meant to represent opinion of “all rational people”; the reference was on governance efficiency, my point being, that others might have had similar opinion.

I really liked your blog, that’s why write here. It’s unquestionable, most people here care about region and people living there. It is just a bit pity, when sometimes point of reference on your articles is biased media, which is critical on anything connected with Uzbekistan. I wish more Americans came to Uzbekistan like you who care about people and country and could provide balanced view on thing happening here.

Marry Christmas to you and all Registan blog! :)

]]> By: Noah http://registan.net/index.php/2009/12/22/new-years-resolution-2-cut-down-trees-in-amir-temur-square/comment-page-1/#comment-383869 Noah Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:58:10 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=10147#comment-383869 Metin-- If you like the square without trees, again you're entitled to your own opinion, but it's just a tiny bit presumptuous to assume that "all rational people" agree with you. I'm also not sure why you seem to think that my own opinion is mindlessly shaped by what I read on the internet and you assume that If I could "visit Tashkent" then somehow I would change my mind about all these things. As it happens, I lived in Tashkent for several years, and not all that long ago. Most of the regular commenters and authors on this blog have a lot of personal experience in the region and care very deeply about it and the people who live there. I have to say that on this particular issue, I find it awfully ironic that for once in my life I actually agree with Karimov about something, but but people are still arguing with me in his "defense." Metin–
If you like the square without trees, again you’re entitled to your own opinion, but it’s just a tiny bit presumptuous to assume that “all rational people” agree with you.

I’m also not sure why you seem to think that my own opinion is mindlessly shaped by what I read on the internet and you assume that If I could “visit Tashkent” then somehow I would change my mind about all these things. As it happens, I lived in Tashkent for several years, and not all that long ago. Most of the regular commenters and authors on this blog have a lot of personal experience in the region and care very deeply about it and the people who live there.

I have to say that on this particular issue, I find it awfully ironic that for once in my life I actually agree with Karimov about something, but but people are still arguing with me in his “defense.”

]]> By: Metin http://registan.net/index.php/2009/12/22/new-years-resolution-2-cut-down-trees-in-amir-temur-square/comment-page-1/#comment-383868 Metin Thu, 24 Dec 2009 14:15:49 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=10147#comment-383868 as for real issues, get it real - it's not America! it's a transition country trying to build democracy, which won't happen overnight. Besides, there was some info in local media about renovations of square (widening traffic road, trees posing threat during strong winds on people and cars). After all, the mayor's office has not to ask permission from public when building streets or trimming trees. As for governance in Uzbekistan - it is pretty effective. True, it's authoritarian. But probably, this is the only option left for poor country like Uzbekistan. Personally, I'd prefer authoritarian, but stable and effective government to democratic, but week and unable government. I think, most rationale people think likewise. as for real issues, get it real – it’s not America!
it’s a transition country trying to build democracy, which won’t happen overnight.
Besides, there was some info in local media about renovations of square (widening traffic road, trees posing threat during strong winds on people and cars). After all, the mayor’s office has not to ask permission from public when building streets or trimming trees.
As for governance in Uzbekistan – it is pretty effective. True, it’s authoritarian. But probably, this is the only option left for poor country like Uzbekistan. Personally, I’d prefer authoritarian, but stable and effective government to democratic, but week and unable government. I think, most rationale people think likewise.

]]> By: Metin http://registan.net/index.php/2009/12/22/new-years-resolution-2-cut-down-trees-in-amir-temur-square/comment-page-1/#comment-383867 Metin Thu, 24 Dec 2009 13:50:24 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=10147#comment-383867 Noah, I have to agree with you that trees are admirable regardless of ethnicity of those who planted there. However, please accept it, most of those who commented and expressed dislike in media about clearing off are either russophile circles or outsiders, who just make their opinion based on couple of sources in internet. I wish you could come and visit Tashkent someday soon to have your own impression, without any bias imposed by media. Let me point out few things, one should not be misguided by reports portraying the events, as if Tashkent had few trees only in Amir Timur's square, and they all (!) cleared off. In reality, Tashkent is pretty green, and not all (!) trees were cut down in square. I assume you'r american, and you would not like it at all if let's say White House was blocked by trees from sight (sorry, could not come with any open air symbolic monument in US). Besides, I guess nowhere in the world, the heart of the city is covered by forest, it's normally open square with a monument in the center. You pointed out, allegedly Karimov did not like trimming. Personally, I don't care - regardless of whether Karimov liked it or not, you can't ignore that the square has more space and monument and surrounding buildings can be seen now much better than in past. P.S. as the source of information is www.ferghana.ru, I suggest you read peoples' comments on news on these events: it becomes clear how chauvinistic attitudes are prevalent among those who are protesting against remake of Amir Timur square. I had an impression of Americans being free of nationalism what is unfortunately case in Russia; I would feel sorry if you base your judgement based on some biased media, which demonizes everything, practically everything done in Uzbekistan. Noah,
I have to agree with you that trees are admirable regardless of ethnicity of those who planted there. However, please accept it, most of those who commented and expressed dislike in media about clearing off are either russophile circles or outsiders, who just make their opinion based on couple of sources in internet. I wish you could come and visit Tashkent someday soon to have your own impression, without any bias imposed by media.
Let me point out few things, one should not be misguided by reports portraying the events, as if Tashkent had few trees only in Amir Timur’s square, and they all (!) cleared off. In reality, Tashkent is pretty green, and not all (!) trees were cut down in square.
I assume you’r american, and you would not like it at all if let’s say White House was blocked by trees from sight (sorry, could not come with any open air symbolic monument in US). Besides, I guess nowhere in the world, the heart of the city is covered by forest, it’s normally open square with a monument in the center.
You pointed out, allegedly Karimov did not like trimming. Personally, I don’t care – regardless of whether Karimov liked it or not, you can’t ignore that the square has more space and monument and surrounding buildings can be seen now much better than in past.

P.S. as the source of information is http://www.ferghana.ru, I suggest you read peoples’ comments on news on these events: it becomes clear how chauvinistic attitudes are prevalent among those who are protesting against remake of Amir Timur square. I had an impression of Americans being free of nationalism what is unfortunately case in Russia; I would feel sorry if you base your judgement based on some biased media, which demonizes everything, practically everything done in Uzbekistan.

]]> By: Prithvi http://registan.net/index.php/2009/12/22/new-years-resolution-2-cut-down-trees-in-amir-temur-square/comment-page-1/#comment-383864 Prithvi Thu, 24 Dec 2009 08:54:53 +0000 http://www.registan.net/?p=10147#comment-383864 Guys, let's not rush to judgment here. For all we know, a gang of trees killed Karimov's parents and kidnapped his sister. Guys, let’s not rush to judgment here. For all we know, a gang of trees killed Karimov’s parents and kidnapped his sister.

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