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		<title>Comment on Has War in Afghanistan Ruined Central Asia? by Joshua Foust</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2012/05/23/has-war-in-afghanistan-ruined-central-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-406951</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua Foust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 22:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan,

Another way of writing this post is &quot;Alexander Cooley makes broad claims he cannot support with evidence.&quot; 

There are data to suggest that governments throughout the region are backsliding, as you suggest. Cooley points this out. We also know some countries in the region have received Security Assistance from the U.S. government. Cooley also points this out. 

However, what Cooley cannot and did not point out was how the Security Assistance caused that backsliding. He argued causation then he only demonstrated correlation. You say this far too gently: as an act of scholarship it is worse than lazy, it is actively misleading.

I find this a lot in the post-OSI crowd. US assistance is bad in all ways because no matter what it makes everything worse off (unless it&#039;s funding pet projects). But also, if the U.S. plans on reducing its presence, then it&#039;s also making everything worse, in all ways. Such arguments don&#039;t require data, because they&#039;re supported by sources (none of which are ever named), or, like fellow OSI recipient Kenneth Roth, actually argues this is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/05/22/dereliction_of_duty&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dereliction of duty&lt;/a&gt; of the government in some completely undefinable way that is unrecognizable to anyone who&#039;s ever studied or worked for the government.

This is a lazy polemic, in other words, not a work of scholarship. Cooley abuses basic terms: paying rent for access to an airport, for example, is not &quot;security assistance,&quot; it is paying rent for access to an airport (he does not demonstrate if and how the far lesser amounts the U.S. spent liaising with the Kyrgyz security forces contributed to the corruption of the regime). His basic terms are just wrong, so wrong I wonder if he ever bothered to check if he got the definitions right.

You went way too gentle on him for this crap. Cooley would never allow one of his students to argue something this incompletely, based far more on posturing than on data; he would, instead, fail them for forgetting their homework (or maybe give them an incomplete). Why the tiny New York-based Central Asia crowd refuses to do basic homework on how the U.S. government operates escapes me, nevertheless it is a common thread linking all of their misleading, lazy whinge together.

It&#039;s awful, it distorts the conversation, and it should be embarrassing for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan,</p>
<p>Another way of writing this post is &#8220;Alexander Cooley makes broad claims he cannot support with evidence.&#8221; </p>
<p>There are data to suggest that governments throughout the region are backsliding, as you suggest. Cooley points this out. We also know some countries in the region have received Security Assistance from the U.S. government. Cooley also points this out. </p>
<p>However, what Cooley cannot and did not point out was how the Security Assistance caused that backsliding. He argued causation then he only demonstrated correlation. You say this far too gently: as an act of scholarship it is worse than lazy, it is actively misleading.</p>
<p>I find this a lot in the post-OSI crowd. US assistance is bad in all ways because no matter what it makes everything worse off (unless it&#8217;s funding pet projects). But also, if the U.S. plans on reducing its presence, then it&#8217;s also making everything worse, in all ways. Such arguments don&#8217;t require data, because they&#8217;re supported by sources (none of which are ever named), or, like fellow OSI recipient Kenneth Roth, actually argues this is a <a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/05/22/dereliction_of_duty" rel="nofollow">dereliction of duty</a> of the government in some completely undefinable way that is unrecognizable to anyone who&#8217;s ever studied or worked for the government.</p>
<p>This is a lazy polemic, in other words, not a work of scholarship. Cooley abuses basic terms: paying rent for access to an airport, for example, is not &#8220;security assistance,&#8221; it is paying rent for access to an airport (he does not demonstrate if and how the far lesser amounts the U.S. spent liaising with the Kyrgyz security forces contributed to the corruption of the regime). His basic terms are just wrong, so wrong I wonder if he ever bothered to check if he got the definitions right.</p>
<p>You went way too gentle on him for this crap. Cooley would never allow one of his students to argue something this incompletely, based far more on posturing than on data; he would, instead, fail them for forgetting their homework (or maybe give them an incomplete). Why the tiny New York-based Central Asia crowd refuses to do basic homework on how the U.S. government operates escapes me, nevertheless it is a common thread linking all of their misleading, lazy whinge together.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s awful, it distorts the conversation, and it should be embarrassing for them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Has War in Afghanistan Ruined Central Asia? by Nathan Hamm</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2012/05/23/has-war-in-afghanistan-ruined-central-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-406942</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Hamm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 21:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To be honest, this makes me less interested in the book. I&#039;ve read enough analysis of western security assistance that totally misunderstand the security assistance part of the equation and makes overly broad claims about US complicity in [insert evil here] as a result. This stuff really isn&#039;t that hard to research. 

Does it not seem odd to you to pin the blame on security relationships for trends in Central Asian governments&#039; behaviors that existed prior to those relationships and are more closely related to factors peculiar to each government? Even if this is a teaser for the book, where (for the first time ever, apparently, because we&#039;ve heard this exact same story for a couple years now) the dots will be fully connected, the math for the process described should roughly add up better than it does. It&#039;s precisely because each of these countries receives different levels and kinds of security assistance that have no apparent direct connections to the amount of corruption or repression that I don&#039;t buy the argument.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be honest, this makes me less interested in the book. I&#8217;ve read enough analysis of western security assistance that totally misunderstand the security assistance part of the equation and makes overly broad claims about US complicity in [insert evil here] as a result. This stuff really isn&#8217;t that hard to research. </p>
<p>Does it not seem odd to you to pin the blame on security relationships for trends in Central Asian governments&#8217; behaviors that existed prior to those relationships and are more closely related to factors peculiar to each government? Even if this is a teaser for the book, where (for the first time ever, apparently, because we&#8217;ve heard this exact same story for a couple years now) the dots will be fully connected, the math for the process described should roughly add up better than it does. It&#8217;s precisely because each of these countries receives different levels and kinds of security assistance that have no apparent direct connections to the amount of corruption or repression that I don&#8217;t buy the argument.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Has War in Afghanistan Ruined Central Asia? by Wendell Schwab</title>
		<link>http://registan.net/index.php/2012/05/23/has-war-in-afghanistan-ruined-central-asia/comment-page-1/#comment-406940</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendell Schwab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2012 20:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t find that much to be offended by, Nate.  The evidence is thin because that blog post is a teaser for the book.  It did its job - you are now interested in the book, if only to criticize it further.  Cooley gets a lot right - a lot of Western foreign policy has treated Central Asia instrumentally;  there has been corruption in fuel contracts at Manas; etc., etc.

I think the bigger problem is linking ALL of the Central Asian states together, as if individual governments, populaces, etc. are the same because they are Muslim and used to live in the Soviet Union.  Some examples off the top of my head: US aid to Kazakhstan to destroy or manage nuclear weapons and waste is not the same as fuel contracts at Manas.  The aid in the former case might (or might not) have made Kazakhstan more interested in presenting a good image to the world (e.g., wanting the OSCE chairmanship, trying to build a competitive market economy), while the latter may not have a similar effect in Kyrgyzstan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t find that much to be offended by, Nate.  The evidence is thin because that blog post is a teaser for the book.  It did its job &#8211; you are now interested in the book, if only to criticize it further.  Cooley gets a lot right &#8211; a lot of Western foreign policy has treated Central Asia instrumentally;  there has been corruption in fuel contracts at Manas; etc., etc.</p>
<p>I think the bigger problem is linking ALL of the Central Asian states together, as if individual governments, populaces, etc. are the same because they are Muslim and used to live in the Soviet Union.  Some examples off the top of my head: US aid to Kazakhstan to destroy or manage nuclear weapons and waste is not the same as fuel contracts at Manas.  The aid in the former case might (or might not) have made Kazakhstan more interested in presenting a good image to the world (e.g., wanting the OSCE chairmanship, trying to build a competitive market economy), while the latter may not have a similar effect in Kyrgyzstan.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uzbek News Censors Karimov Comments on Birth Control by Nathan Hamm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Hamm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 19:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it necessary? No. Does it highlight the irony of the president&#039;s comments being altered for the Uzbek audience? That was the point anyway.

I can name developed countries that don&#039;t do this. Pretty much all of Europe and North America. The US doesn&#039;t have much state support to news media, but the bit that does receive such support is actually produces some of the most accurate and even-handed we have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it necessary? No. Does it highlight the irony of the president&#8217;s comments being altered for the Uzbek audience? That was the point anyway.</p>
<p>I can name developed countries that don&#8217;t do this. Pretty much all of Europe and North America. The US doesn&#8217;t have much state support to news media, but the bit that does receive such support is actually produces some of the most accurate and even-handed we have.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uzbek News Censors Karimov Comments on Birth Control by Nathan Hamm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Hamm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 19:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kind of, but it&#039;s a bit differently. Our most popular tv news channel spins things in a way that makes the Obama administration look as bad as possible. We have another news channel that spins things to make the administration look as good as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of, but it&#8217;s a bit differently. Our most popular tv news channel spins things in a way that makes the Obama administration look as bad as possible. We have another news channel that spins things to make the administration look as good as possible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uzbek News Censors Karimov Comments on Birth Control by AtoZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>AtoZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 20:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was it necessary to stamp the photo? If yes, why? And why is it not in English? 

I do agree with Metin, it is something that you would expect from state backed tv channel. There is nothing wrong with it. There might be a government policy to control the birth rate. Can you name any developed or developing country that does not do it? Whether it&#039;s forced or not that seems to be the main issue here, am I right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was it necessary to stamp the photo? If yes, why? And why is it not in English? </p>
<p>I do agree with Metin, it is something that you would expect from state backed tv channel. There is nothing wrong with it. There might be a government policy to control the birth rate. Can you name any developed or developing country that does not do it? Whether it&#8217;s forced or not that seems to be the main issue here, am I right?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uzbek News Censors Karimov Comments on Birth Control by ilkham</title>
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		<dc:creator>ilkham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 18:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please!!, don&#039;t touch us!!, see on your own problem!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please!!, don&#8217;t touch us!!, see on your own problem!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Uzbek News Censors Karimov Comments on Birth Control by Metin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Metin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 09:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The news program seems to be consistent in its style of reporting - portraying the government policy in positive lights. That&#039;s understandable, it is financed by the state. The program probably found terms like &#039;population growth rates&#039; and others potentially misleading for the audience and removed them. 
Just curios, do news program in your country do anything like this too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news program seems to be consistent in its style of reporting &#8211; portraying the government policy in positive lights. That&#8217;s understandable, it is financed by the state. The program probably found terms like &#8216;population growth rates&#8217; and others potentially misleading for the audience and removed them.<br />
Just curios, do news program in your country do anything like this too?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Pencils&#8230; They&#8217;ve Moved! by Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 18:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe he was using the pencils to illustrate his commitment to a flat back four, a withdrawn &quot;false 9&quot;, and inverted wingers, with added thoughts on the relative decline of Barcelona.

Or maybe not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe he was using the pencils to illustrate his commitment to a flat back four, a withdrawn &#8220;false 9&#8243;, and inverted wingers, with added thoughts on the relative decline of Barcelona.</p>
<p>Or maybe not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Child Labor Protest Planned for NATO Summit by Rev. Harry Rix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev. Harry Rix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 16:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THANK YOU for passing on this information. I encourage everyone to travel to Chicago for the noon protest at Grant Park. I believe it will be the protest of the decade--just as the WTO summit in Seattle was the protest of the &#039;90s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THANK YOU for passing on this information. I encourage everyone to travel to Chicago for the noon protest at Grant Park. I believe it will be the protest of the decade&#8211;just as the WTO summit in Seattle was the protest of the &#8217;90s.</p>
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